Sit back and take in everything that was eCrimeBytes season 1!
Chapters:
- 0:00 Episodes Summary
- 13:30 Running Jokes
- 29:52 The Technology
- 48:54 The Crimes
Transcript:
00:00:10:00 – 00:00:23:25
Keith
Hey, welcome to eCrimeBytes Season one Episode 20. I can’t believe it. Episode 20. And I’m going to tell you, we had some two parters in there. So if we did a real episode wise, we probably So if we did a real episode wise, we probably
00:00:23:25 – 00:00:49:15
Keith
be up to like 25 ish. Yeah, Yeah. So this episode is going to be a rundown of our season one and we just arbitrarily made the seasons a half year long just because usually people go on vacation in the summers here in the U.S. and then they also go on vacation in the winters near New Year’s and they just seem like great times to roll the numbers over.
00:00:49:17 – 00:01:13:02
Keith
So that was my logic. So let’s start with our rundown. And I want I’m going to assume that not everybody has listened to every episode that we produced so far. So let me give you the names of the 20 actually the 19 episodes up to this point. The first one we started with was the community, and that was a two parter.
00:01:13:02 – 00:01:19:11
Keith
The community was a SIM swapping attack crime that we discussed in length.
00:01:19:14 – 00:01:25:16
Seth
The second one, I think it was more like a hillbilly Ocean’s 11.
00:01:25:18 – 00:01:59:04
Keith
Yep. And the second one was a swatting gets deadly and we picked that one because the swatting or the process of sending law enforcement to someone’s house using a false pretense of a suicide or shooting or something like that, it actually involved someone being killed. And that was the interesting aspect of that case. We then switched gears into just violence, violence as a service with a gentleman named Pat the Bat.
00:01:59:06 – 00:02:20:08
Keith
And we have a couple of videos that we’ll talk about when we get the Pat the bat section in this review. That was really interesting in that that episode that Seth and I have cracked jokes on pretty much every episode since then. And then we had episode four, which is the Twitter hack, and that kind of set the stage.
00:02:20:08 – 00:02:47:17
Keith
It was a more of a generic hack where there was a group of people involved and we talked about that hack, but there was an individual that kind of we went a tangent on and that was episode five and his name was PlugWalk Joe and PlugWalk Joe not only got involved with the Twitter hack, but he got involved with a whole bunch of other stuff, including swatting a minor and saying some pretty horrible stuff to her.
00:02:47:20 – 00:02:57:06
Keith
Well, I will say this is fresh news. PlugWalk Joe actually pleaded guilty not too long ago and was sentenced to five years.
00:02:57:06 – 00:03:08:19
Keith
So then we had episode six that was an ID theft gang in Florida, and that was your gang of ladies that used the tax refund fraud scheme.
00:03:08:21 – 00:03:22:11
Seth
Well, and that was the first it was interesting because that was the first of many episodes where the tax fraud scheme came up. We’ll get into that in a bit. But that way they were kind of the OGs, at least in terms of our episodes.
00:03:22:13 – 00:03:48:22
Keith
And then episode seven, we had swatting payback in Maryland. That was a case about two individuals that were pissed off at each other, so they swatted each other and it was in my state of Maryland, and it was not necessarily a deadly swatting like we had earlier in episode two, but it was still a it was a pretty interesting case to look at.
00:03:48:24 – 00:04:18:17
Keith
And then we had in episode eight, our first law enforcement case, we called it stalking behind a badge in Louisville, Kentucky. And I this is where our cases start to get really crazy. Now. Slushie gate when it was like a slushie gate. And then there was stalking of women, and then there was sending videos in uniform doing sexual things, a whole bunch of stuff that just went off the deep end.
00:04:18:20 – 00:04:33:06
Keith
And so all those one through eight, they were very serious crimes. So we took a break and we talked about the rebate kingpin of rural Michigan in episode nine and this is all urban legend.
00:04:33:08 – 00:04:35:06
Seth
Urban legend.
00:04:35:08 – 00:05:17:19
Keith
Old old school technology of using a printing calculator. And we’ll talk more about that a little later. And probably one of my favorite episodes, just because it was the first episode that included a lot of stuff that wasn’t electronic crime, but it was made it very, very interesting was episode ten threesomes and hitmen. And this is a two part episode where Dr. Shitbag Ronald Ilg tried to hire someone to hurt a fellow doctor that he thought wronged him and then also tried to hire a hitman to do a bunch of stuff to his ex-wife, drug her, hurt her teach her to drug herself.
00:05:17:19 – 00:05:51:05
Keith
Just a whole bunch of stuff we’re going to get and we’re definitely going to get into in this episode because it’s one of my favorite episodes. Episode 11 was the Mann Behind the Curtain, and this is another two part episode of Michael Mann doing some pretty extravagant fraud in order to make millions and millions of dollars. But let’s not forget about Luke Steiner, because that’s really who the episode was about, because Luke Steiner helped Michael Mann make millions of dollars and only made $11,000 in Amazon gift cards.
00:05:51:05 – 00:06:25:22
Keith
Believe it or not. Then we had episode 13 Credit Fixers for Hire, and this was a pretty interesting episode in that it took advantage of the 2008 economic crisis and it tried to help people fix their credit, but it wasn’t your legitimate credit fixing business. They actually involved some police officers in there to fake some police reports to say, hey, all this bad credit, not me.
00:06:25:24 – 00:06:49:25
Keith
Stolen identity. So that was a pretty interesting scheme that they had going on. And that one episode 14 was a doctor sells out. And this is Dr. Alario, who literally sent his patients to a pharmaceutical representative to peddle tons of medicine that they didn’t need.
00:06:49:28 – 00:07:13:15
Seth
That’s one of my favorite episodes because it’s also similar in some regards to a Steiner, I would say in a different way. And really like some, it’s one of those ones where if this happened to you, you would be like, wait a second, this, this happened. And that one, I think, frankly, the people involved got off really light because a lot of laws were broken in that one.
00:07:13:15 – 00:07:20:13
Seth
And a lot of ethics were really broken on that one, too. We’ll get to that. And that’s a five. I love that one.
00:07:20:16 – 00:07:49:23
Keith
Episode 15 The fake Prisoner charity Indigent Inmates. And this is this is an interesting twist. It was a criminal who took advantage of criminals in prison by sending literature that looked like legit charity to help prisoners in their legal cases. He asked for personal information and then took that personal information and went and monetized it.
00:07:49:25 – 00:08:06:00
Seth
Yet another yet another IRS tax fraud as well. I actually learned something this year and that that is a very apparently very common method to, I guess, cash in on on cyber crimes is to use the IRS. We’ll go into that.
00:08:06:03 – 00:08:42:03
Keith
So episode 16 was Ubiquiti Insider. And this was Nicholas Sharp, who not only stole data from his company Ubiquiti and then he took that data, he took that instance and made it look like an attacker from the outside did it and tried to ransom it, extort his company, but then his company didn’t know it was him yet. He sat in on all the investigations when they were trying to investigate who it was, which is, you know, it happens actually probably more than you would think with insiders.
00:08:42:03 – 00:09:10:14
Keith
But it’s that’s the mind blowing part of that case in my opinion. Then we had episode 17, which is three officers and three schemes, and this is primarily identity theft scheme. Three different officers, they get their information. One of them was Department of Correction intake lists. The other two were this identification database that has all the driver’s license in it.
00:09:10:17 – 00:09:16:06
Seth
All three were cops, though, right? And they all had different methods to do it. But again, more tax fraud.
00:09:16:09 – 00:09:18:24
Keith
And one of the officers did it for almost nothing.
00:09:18:25 – 00:09:24:22
Seth
Yeah, we’ll get to that. That’s a he pulled a Steiner in his own right, for sure. We’ll get to that one.
00:09:24:24 – 00:09:51:01
Keith
And we’re almost done here. Episode 18 Anthony Boo Boo Gosha. His I.D. theft scheme or his I.D. theft ring? Depends on how you want to look at it. But he had. So we’ve talked about all these tax fraud cases up to this point, and they were decent size. This one was massive. Just massive. There were 7000 tax refund returns.
00:09:51:01 – 00:10:10:15
Keith
There were there was like an Army of women helping Anthony Boo-Boo Gosha the third in the background, get all this stuff done. And they were working to the tune of 19 to $20 million in refunds, which is just a huge, huge number.
00:10:10:18 – 00:10:26:24
Seth
And just as an aside, I don’t know if you went through this, Keith, but when I read that case throughout the case, they kept referring to him as different names. He was Anthony, he was Boo Boo, He was Gosha. And I felt like my parents were watching a movie 20 years ago where they’re like, Who is that guy? And you’re like, No, that’s the same guy.
00:10:26:26 – 00:10:38:18
Seth
Like, I don’t understand. And that’s kind of how I felt. I realized now he was the kingpin. It’s all one dude. I mean, you know, in terms of the name, it was very funny. I felt very old.
00:10:38:20 – 00:11:05:20
Keith
And he definitely he was the kingpin. But you saw the ladies under him, which are, you know, ranking in the criminal organization wise. They weren’t as high as him, but they did just some just absolute crazy stuff from even bribing United States postal employees to get checks. It just it was crazy. So the last one that we had before this episode was a couple who cyber stalks together faces charges together.
00:11:05:20 – 00:11:08:11
Keith
This was a couple that
00:11:08:11 – 00:11:09:19
Keith
not only,
00:11:09:19 – 00:11:17:23
Keith
well, he cyber stalked his ex-wife and it was really, really bad. But then later on, he has a
00:11:17:23 – 00:11:36:07
Keith
new significant other that adds to the craziness of cyberstalking his ex-wife. And then you say, oh, that’s horrible. His poor ex-wife. Well, doesn’t stop there. They then start stalking and harassing police officers, judges, pretty much anybody that would cross them if they were.
00:11:36:07 – 00:12:00:25
Seth
What we call the technical term is out of control. And this was way beyond cyberstalking because this had real world impacts to people. And, you know, there’s it’s very both episodes are very long because of how much crazy was involved. And it’s really the culmination of the season because you have a potential new king shitbag. We’ll get to that.
00:12:00:28 – 00:12:17:27
Seth
But and you know, just the quality of the people here, you know, these are not morons who might have been the one in terms of, you know, lack of education or lack of a career or if you know, these are people that are professionals that should have been held to a much higher standard. So that kind of for me, really increased the crazy.
00:12:17:27 – 00:12:25:17
Seth
So we’ll get into that one too. But yeah, thanks, Keith. It’s a great rundown of what I think looks like a pretty cool first season.
00:12:25:19 – 00:12:30:09
Keith
I think I missed one. I think I missed one when I was rolling down the page. Did I say Episode 12, You.
00:12:30:09 – 00:12:36:18
Seth
Missed episode 12. I was thinking about it and maybe I thought I spaced for a minute. That’s also one of my favorite episodes.
00:12:36:21 – 00:12:56:09
Keith
Yeah, me too. So episode 12 I’m sorry I missed it. It was Spies and Naval Nuclear Secrets in Annapolis, Maryland, which is my hometown, and that was two parts. And that was one of the craziest electronic spy stories that you’re going to hear about because they do dead drops that you would say, Hey, that’s a plot in the movie.
00:12:56:09 – 00:13:05:18
Keith
But nope, nope, that was real. That was real life. And they actually tried that because you pretty much I assume that they Googled spy stuff and then tried it.
00:13:05:20 – 00:13:23:23
Seth
For those of you want the real world, well the real world example that is a real world example. The movie Hollywood version of that is the very good Coen Brothers movie Burn after reading, which if you haven’t seen it, it’s got Clooney in it and Brad Pitt. And it’s hilarious. It’s people who think that they’re acting as spies and don’t know what they’re doing.
00:13:23:23 – 00:13:39:16
Seth
And this is seriously very, very similar in so many ways. Yeah. So Keith and I had a lot of running jokes this season and we kind of figured we’d give you a quick rundown of them more based upon who kind of came up with them.
00:13:39:19 – 00:13:57:29
Keith
Yeah. So I want to just give you a little bit of lay of the land because we crack these jokes almost every episode now. And I want to let you know where they came from in case you didn’t go back and listen to these episodes. And some come back from pretty early, you know, joked about Andreas and my relationship. Andrea is my wife joked about our relationship a lot.
00:13:58:01 – 00:14:32:24
Keith
She she beats me. But don’t tell her that one of the first running jokes that I thought was hilarious was Pat the Bat in episode three Violence as a service with Pat the Bat. And there was this video taken of Pat the Bat and his buddy that are trying to firebomb this victim, and they just royally fuck it up.
00:14:32:24 – 00:14:52:01
Keith
They’re supposed to light I assume they’re supposed to light this bottle and throw it through the window and unfortunately catch this house on fire. But they light the bottle, it hits the side of the house and it goes all over the ground, and they’re just. And they sounded like Beavis and Butthead and I have the video for you and we’re going to play it now.
00:14:52:02 – 00:14:54:15
Keith
Unless you do you want you want to set it up any more than that, Seth?
00:14:54:15 – 00:15:19:00
Seth
So for me, the Pat the Bat video was really the closest thing I’ve seen to a Beavis and Butthead in real life. And from the whole commentary about what they were about to do to the thing they tried to do, to the utter failure of what they tried to do, it really just did a great job of encapsulating what a dickhead Pat the Bat was, plus his name self self-created is Pat the bat?
00:15:19:02 – 00:15:25:26
Seth
And I don’t mean that. I mean it’s both brilliant and so stupid at the same time. I love it. Let’s show the video.
00:15:25:29 – 00:15:27:16
Keith
All right, here it is.
00:15:27:18 – 00:15:44:25
Pat The Bat
And start light it fuckin light it light it. Light it, light it fucking light it shit pick it up freak.
00:15:44:27 – 00:15:57:05
Keith
Oh, God. Oh, God. It’s like, you know, what was his? I don’t know if it was Pat or his buddy, but it was like, pick it up. Yes, It’s all burning on the ground. Pick it up, throw it through the window.
00:15:57:07 – 00:16:12:20
Seth
But it’s like they’ve never seen fire before, like a fucking light it, Light it like. Like a fire was the most amazing thing they’ve ever seen. I love it. It’s it’s very, very amusing. And it never ceases to cause me fits of laughter, which is really the ultimate complement to it.
00:16:12:23 – 00:16:41:21
Keith
Yup. All right, so some other running jokes here. We had Doctor Shitbag Ilg. Oh, I use I use this one in my personal life too. I don’t use I obviously don’t use the subject matter, but I use the joke in my personal life, which is sex escrow because he had an email in there where he was paying the hitman, but one of the conditions on his payment, especially getting the bonus, was his ex-wife had to have sex with them.
00:16:41:21 – 00:16:46:11
Keith
X amount of times and Y amount of days, three times, three times that.
00:16:46:13 – 00:17:11:21
Seth
What’s funny about that is and I’ll go into this, not only was the request a part of a larger set of very specific granular requests, but that he thought that he could pull that off. Like, yeah, after she goes through this terrible ordeal, she’ll be into doing that right. That’s probably high on her list is to have sex with her husband, whether she knew that he was the cause of her, you know, kidnaping and drug induced paranoia or not.
00:17:11:21 – 00:17:14:10
Seth
The whole thing to me was just so funny.
00:17:14:12 – 00:17:33:10
Keith
Yeah. So if you haven’t listened to that episode, basically the husband wants a hitman to kidnap his ex-wife, drug her, and then teach her how to drug herself. And then part of the bonus is that she has to have sex with the DA to drop.
00:17:33:10 – 00:17:51:03
Seth
All the charges and not get divorced. And then he has she has to come running back to him. And when she’s back with him, she needs to be able to have sex with him three times a week. And the backup for him is if she doesn’t do that, he’ll release the video that they were supposed to take of her drugging herself, letting the courts know that she’s clearly a drug addict.
00:17:51:03 – 00:18:09:21
Seth
So it was very a very this is a guy that’s, by the way, a very high end doctor. And I don’t mean a like a PhD, a medical doctor. He’s a neonatologist. That’s a guy who went through a lot of school and probably made a lot of money. So all reasons why we escalated him to from mister to Doctor Shitbag.
00:18:09:23 – 00:18:38:11
Keith
So the sex escrow comes from his payment to the hitman regarding this sexual mission for his bonus. And he put his money in an escrow. And Seth and I are ever since we’ve just been calling it sex escrow. So one of the weird things about that one, too, was the ex-wife or someone that purporting to be the ex-wife contacted us on YouTube.
00:18:38:16 – 00:18:39:14
Seth
She did, which.
00:18:39:14 – 00:18:41:01
Keith
Was pretty interesting.
00:18:41:03 – 00:18:45:03
Seth
I felt like I was talking to a celebrity. Well, I didn’t talk to her.
00:18:45:05 – 00:18:48:18
Keith
All this all this is episode ten, by the way.
00:18:48:21 – 00:18:50:27
Seth
Yeah, we’ll get there.
00:18:50:29 – 00:18:59:24
Keith
There is another running joke that we have of frozen yellow milk. And this was episode number nine, I believe. Rebate Kingpin.
00:18:59:29 – 00:19:01:01
Seth
Yeah.
00:19:01:03 – 00:19:25:27
Keith
Which was the kingpin feeding her children milk that she froze. She’d buy a ton of milk on sale and then the kids couldn’t drink it all so she’d freeze it. But it was this whole milk and it would freeze horribly and look, turn yellow and just like, disgusting if you were a child trying to drink this thing, that was thawing.
00:19:25:29 – 00:19:33:07
Keith
And so, yeah, we had a we, we joked a lot about that and we had the kingpin laugh. I actually had the kingpin laugh. Let’s see,
00:19:33:07 – 00:19:41:06
Seth
For the record, Jones likes that one more than I do, but okay.
00:19:41:08 – 00:20:07:27
Keith
Yeah, I guess you got to know the kingpin. And one last one before I turn it over here to Seth was my sister in law. Oh, Jesus this had to be somewhere around episode two or three who came to me and said, McDonald’s won’t stop calling me Tall Flamingo because my niece, her daughter, set up her fast food app to Tall Flamingo, that’s her name.
00:20:07:27 – 00:20:16:20
Keith
Tall Flamingo. So they literally call her at these fast food restaurants and they’re like, Tall Flamingo. And she’s like, Yep, yep, that’s me.
00:20:16:22 – 00:20:39:27
Seth
Yes, I am. So some of the ones we had, it was a early episode where Dr. Jones was showing off his technical chops by explaining what a SIM card is and ended up putting one, there very small, on tip of his finger. And when we were preparing for the episode, he said, What do you think about that picture? I said, Your finger looks crusty.
00:20:40:00 – 00:20:58:00
Seth
And we just had a laugh on that one and one episode. I try to let my family know when I’m podcasting, so they try to leave me alone. But we have a lot of people coming and going here and always a lot going on. So I was told I needed to come up immediately. It was important. I’m like, Oh my God, okay.
00:20:58:00 – 00:21:16:18
Seth
So I pause and I run upstairs and one of my wife’s friends is like running for a position and I’m like the school board. And she wanted me to sign a petition and I was like, so annoyed. Really. That’s what was so important that couldn’t wait. So I let Jones know of my displeasure with that by saying this was some domestic bullshit right there.
00:21:16:20 – 00:21:23:08
Seth
And it really tickled Jones’s funny bone. And that has been a running joke. What am I saying?
00:21:23:09 – 00:21:25:18
Keith
And I saved it. Yes, I saved it.
00:21:25:20 – 00:21:25:29
Seth
We can.
00:21:25:29 – 00:21:27:10
Keith
Play it. Hold on.
00:21:27:12 – 00:21:50:14
Seth
I’m sorry. I’m. I’m sorry. That’s some domestic bullshit right there. Yeah, I was legitimately annoyed. One of my favorite parts of these of these eCrimeBytes episodes is, you know, we try to keep them amusing and or try to find the funny in them. Our lives are hard, Work is hard, parenting is hard. So if we’re going to be talking about stuff, let’s have some amusement.
00:21:50:14 – 00:22:24:00
Seth
So not that we take too much pleasure in people’s problems, but if you’re going to participate actively in a crime where you’re netting people millions of dollars, you should at least get some level of compensation for your time, especially if you’re going to be doing time. And in one of the episodes this intrinsic person, I think, was the fulcrum to allow fraud to happen where one half of the pie got, you know, millions of dollars this, this fucking guy got $11,000 over like seven years and Amazon gift cards.
00:22:24:00 – 00:22:40:19
Seth
And then ended up doing a lot of time and he guy’s last name was Steiner. So our running joke is don’t be a Steiner, which is another way of saying don’t be a tool which led to an award. We’re going to get to you in a little bit, Keith, why don’t you take the next few.
00:22:40:21 – 00:22:59:15
Keith
Yeah. So we get to the Annapolis spies. And I was amazed that they must have Googled something online because they took a card with a memory card and put it in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and put.
00:22:59:15 – 00:23:24:23
Seth
It in a butter. Only peanut butter only. I double checked it. And reason why I double checked it is you’re assuming everybody likes peanut butter and jelly. I certainly do. But of my children, only one of them likes peanut butter and jelly. The other two only prefer peanut butter sandwiches, which is kind of weird in my opinion. But in the spies Like US scenario, they were actually at least the court documents indicated it was only a peanut butter sandwich, not peanut butter and jelly.
00:23:24:25 – 00:23:47:24
Keith
Gotcha. Yeah. So they did that. They put it in a band aid container and another one and I’m forgetting what the third one was, but they’re all ridiculous. But as amazing as that episode was, the most amazing thing came after we published that episode. And, you know, I’ve got my neighbors, my friends on Facebook, and I publish these things on Facebook.
00:23:47:24 – 00:24:11:17
Keith
And one of my neighbors said, Well, I should back up. I live in Annapolis, so this is local to me. They the wife worked at a school right around the corner from where I live. So when I posted this, one of my neighbors, who’s obviously this is local, them too, wrote me this story and it was absolutely fucking beautiful of how he was invited over there for dinner one night.
00:24:11:17 – 00:24:34:08
Keith
And the wife was incredibly drunk to the point where she fell down the stairs and other times her husband who and there’s nothing against it would LARP in his front yard, but not just LARP, but LARP, and then kind of look around to see who would be watching his larping, which is the point. That’s the.
00:24:34:09 – 00:24:37:20
Seth
Point. Because for those who don’t know what larping is.
00:24:37:22 – 00:24:51:06
Keith
Live action roleplaying. So it’s kind of like dressing up as a medieval warrior with swords and swinging them in your front yard and just stuff that if you drove by you’d go, that’s a little strange.
00:24:51:08 – 00:24:54:14
Seth
Yeah, I think it’s a lot strange.
00:24:54:16 – 00:25:00:13
Keith
A couple others. Shabazz working with his four wives at Indigent.
00:25:00:15 – 00:25:05:16
Seth
I’m sorry, How many wives did he have? four four.
00:25:05:18 – 00:25:12:29
Keith
He worked with his four wives at Indigent Inmates. They’re all in on the scheme together. So
00:25:12:29 – 00:25:32:03
Keith
I don’t know, I. I have trouble just working with my own wife around the house. Not working, working, but just like around the house. I couldn’t imagine working professionally as your job with your wife. He had four of them. And then if you just say, okay, that’s a lot of work right there, they were successful.
00:25:32:05 – 00:25:34:02
Keith
They did a good job with their crime.
00:25:34:02 – 00:25:35:20
Seth
Wildly successful
00:25:35:22 – 00:25:58:20
Keith
They made a lot of money, so they worked well together, which was just it was amazing. That was an episode that you need to go back and listen to. And then if you kind of take a tangent off of Steiner and you say, Wow, that’s Steiner guy who only made $11,000 in Amazon gift cards and threw his whole career away and went to prison, sucked for him.
00:25:58:23 – 00:26:31:03
Keith
Well, there was an officer Vital Frederick, who got a payout for 1000. I want to say it was three or 400. It was just over a thousand for identity theft. So he would provide identities through a law enforcement only database that he would capture and pay this informant. And this informant. I’m sorry. He didn’t pay the informant. He would give the informant the names and the informant would pay him. The informant was working for the FBI.
00:26:31:03 – 00:26:43:01
Keith
So obviously Officer Frederick was caught in this thing. But the big thing was, is he threw his career away for less than $2,000, and I couldn’t think of hardly any career that would be worth, you know.
00:26:43:02 – 00:27:04:06
Seth
If someone to say to you, you know, how much money would you have to get to, you know, lose your job, lose your career? You’re probably thinking, you know, millions of dollars, you know, at a small number. So this one was I mean, it’s funny. It’s not funny for him, but it’s funny. And this also brought up a term that I’ve never heard of.
00:27:04:08 – 00:27:13:22
Seth
This gives me, you know, no street cred whatsoever. But I remember asking Jones, I’m like, what is that? And we had to look it up, but we learned. And what was that term?
00:27:13:22 – 00:27:37:20
Keith
Well, you had to look it up. I told you what it was. So it stacks stacks $1,000 stacks is $1,000 technically. And that was in the court paperwork. But I will tell you, just from my music knowledge, Seth, bands is like bands. That’s an alternative to stacks. You might hear both of those being dropped. Both mean $1,000.
00:27:37:23 – 00:27:45:07
Seth
Yeah. I mean, I understand stacks relates to money. I didn’t know there was a direct monetary correlation. I stand corrected. Yeah, yeah.
00:27:45:09 – 00:27:46:20
Keith
This is street lingo.
00:27:46:23 – 00:27:59:20
Seth
Yeah, it’s street lingo. So the last couple real quick we talked about Anthony Boo-Boo Gosha in episode 18 I think, and his merry band, of Gang of Ladies. But I love that they ended up bribing because
00:27:59:20 – 00:28:08:04
Seth
their scheme kind of got sideways so they had to go a different route and they ended up having to work with basically to use the Postal Service.
00:28:08:04 – 00:28:31:00
Seth
So they ended up having to bribe the Postal Service, which I guess is probably the most easily believable part of that story. I don’t know. I don’t know too many people in the Postal Service, but I mean, they’re civil servants. They’re part of the US government. They take an oath. I don’t know. We’ll get to that one. And then the last one, Jason Leidel, You know the couple that cyberstalks together does time together or faces charges together.
00:28:31:00 – 00:28:53:28
Seth
They’re going to do time. But I always thought, you know, there’s a lot of documentation from the court of the different emails and documents that he spoofed and almost all of them are comically full of errors in spelling. And at first I’m like, Wow, how clever this guy was to make it seem like somebody else wrote them and that he would make it seem like the person who wrote them was a terrible speller.
00:28:53:28 – 00:29:05:08
Seth
And Jones is like, No, you idiot, He’s just stupid. How much? Oh, okay. He’s just a terrible speller and terrible grammar. Good enough. So we thought that was funny.
00:29:05:11 – 00:29:24:13
Keith
Okay, here, here. He could never, ever use here correctly. He could never use their correctly. It was. And and it was like I could put an email in front of you by the time you got maybe a half an hour into our episode, I could put a random email in front of you and say, Who sent this Sarah Sorg or Jason Leidel?
00:29:24:18 – 00:29:30:13
Keith
And you could pick out the misspellings in there and go oh that’s definitely Jason. Jason definitely wrote this one.
00:29:30:15 – 00:29:50:03
Seth
It’d be something like if you were to, like, give like a document to like an eight year old, an average eight year old, maybe less seven year old, and say, you know, get your pronouns wrong. And so that’s what you would expect. But it’s much worse than that anyway. Okay. So we key part of this, you know, this podcast is that it’s eCrimeBytes.
00:29:50:03 – 00:30:08:25
Seth
So we often and we start every episode with the technology that was used to commit the crime. So we thought we’d give you a quick review of the technology. Hopefully, you know, for those who actually want to learn something from this, this podcast, we can run through that with you as a note. If you go to our website, much of this is available.
00:30:08:27 – 00:30:30:05
Seth
Jones was kind enough to create an amazing glossary, and as we went forward in time in the season, we kept adding to the glossary. I should add to the glossary. So let’s start with a couple here. So mobile phones, very common, very ubiquitous, is using Chrome. But the key thing of the mobile phones are almost that mobile phone is utterly destroyed or forensically wiped.
00:30:30:08 – 00:30:49:01
Seth
Law enforcement can get a lot of information off of your mobile phone, especially if it’s connected to a network. So we got into some of that SIM cards. So part of the crusty fingered joke SIM cards obviously are basically Jones with the memory chip of a mobile phone. Would you say that’s a fair way to describe it?
00:30:49:03 – 00:30:57:13
Keith
Yeah, it’s the identity. Once you put it in, right, that takes a phone number and a associates it with that physical phone. Right.
00:30:57:14 – 00:31:30:05
Seth
So Chip, the SIM cards tied to the crime, which will get you below of SIM card swapping, which is a great way to steal someone’s identity. Cryptocurrency. So cryptocurrency is interesting because during the season we saw the value of cryptocurrency plummet. But moreover, cryptocurrency has and remains apparently the currency of choice among thieves and criminals. But what’s weird about it is it was specifically designed if I understand the blockchain and crypto, to associate directly with the person who holds the value.
00:31:30:08 – 00:31:54:22
Seth
So like any other crime, if you follow the money, you still eventually figure out who the asshole is. So we saw much of that. But crypto is definitely a concern. So for example, Dr. Shitbag Ilg attempted to pay for his hitman services via crypto. Also, I think a lot of the earlier episodes we did, the actual crime was in stealing people’s cryptocurrency.
00:31:54:24 – 00:32:14:04
Seth
We heard a lot about online accounts, social media, specifically Twitter was specifically discussed at length in episode four on the Twitter hack. But we also learned that there are specific values associated with certain online accounts, and we’ll get into that in a bit. We learned a
00:32:14:04 – 00:32:24:05
Seth
about a certain kind of chat server called Discord, which is really for online communities or friends groups, many of them invitation only, often used by games and social media influencers.
00:32:24:05 – 00:32:38:20
Seth
A key episode I don’t remember which one it was. Jones where the Discord entire server chat server was hacked. So people who were committing crimes had their criminal chats hacked, which I thought was interesting.
00:32:38:22 – 00:32:54:29
Keith
Oh, you’re thinking of OG users, the O.G. Users forum, That was the one that was hacked. And the law enforcement used that to basically piece together these these stories of what all these criminals were doing, which is just fucking amazing.
00:32:55:01 – 00:32:55:11
Seth
Yeah.
00:32:55:11 – 00:33:27:22
Keith
All right. So let’s talk more about some of these technology. We have phone GPS, so in one of our episodes, which was Pat the Bat, we talked about how there was G.P.S. enabled. So that way later on when investigators wanted to say who was around this residence, when someone clumsily threw a burning bottle of Mad Dog 2020 through somebody.
00:33:27:28 – 00:33:30:19
Seth
That’s one of the running jokes. Mad Dog.
00:33:30:22 – 00:33:55:09
Keith
Oh, yeah, it is Mad Dog. And then he we didn’t show you the video, but he was also involved in the shooting. They shot in a window of a house when people were sleeping and luckily nobody was hurt, but they shot it up. And in both cases they left the phone GPS on. So later on, the investigators could go, hey, look at the commonality here.
00:33:55:09 – 00:34:17:10
Keith
There’s this guy. They didn’t know his name was Pat the bat. But let’s just say Pat the bat. He was over here at this time, 15 minutes prior and 7 minutes after this crime. And he’s over here 20 minutes prior and 45 minutes after. So, you know, they start connecting the dots and that becomes a great piece of evidence.
00:34:17:10 – 00:34:39:13
Keith
We talked about cloud accounts. We talked about iCloud for you Apple folks. We talked about Google Drive. There’s cloud accounts for pretty much anything. Those two are storage where there’s cloud accounts for even even some of these chat servers that we talked about. Those are considered, quote unquote, cloud accounts,
00:34:39:13 – 00:34:51:15
Keith
person identifiable information. PII we talk about this a lot because this is the term that gets associated with identity theft.
00:34:51:17 – 00:35:25:06
Keith
What are people stealing? PII personally identifiable information. Usually PII is it’s a collection of things. So in my case it might be Keith Jones You know, my first name, my last name, but then add to it my birth date. That’s another piece of information. Add to that my Social Security number. Maybe it’s an account number somewhere else, and you start adding this together and collectively, that’s the PII that people will use for identity fraud.
00:35:25:08 – 00:35:49:20
Seth
Yeah, and we’ll hear how that was kind of a key. And like I said, I noted that usually you need multiple pieces of PII to kind of really cause some damage. Anyway, phishing, which is fraudulent practice of sending emails or other messages purporting fraudulently, of course, to be from reputable companies. The idea is to induce an individual to reveal their personal information like their password or their credit card.
00:35:49:22 – 00:36:03:05
Seth
We saw that vishing, which is very similar, but that’s usually doing the same thing via a phone call or leaving a voice message, typically from a bank or financial institution.
00:36:03:05 – 00:36:13:09
Seth
Law enforcement specific databases. So we heard about this a few times. So, you know, the idea is the type of data is PII, right.
00:36:13:15 – 00:36:42:23
Seth
And you’d think they’d be secure because, you know, only cops can actually access them. But you can imagine you know, the police have access to a lot of databases, whether it’s license plate number or people who have been arrested or probably more stuff than you might realize directly inside the DMV. And, you know, if they are actually ever going to be corrupted and they are going to be willing to sell that level of PII, a lot of damage can occur from that.
00:36:42:23 – 00:36:54:20
Seth
We only seen that. That was specifically episode eight in episode 17 SlushyGate in Kentucky, And then one of the later episodes, three officers, three schemes, which we’ll talk about later.
00:36:54:20 – 00:37:24:27
Keith
So in episode nine, which for some strange reason I have a very personal connection to, the rebate Kingpin. We talked about a printing calculator. Well, it was in the eighties, so a printing calculator was pretty goddamn fancy back in the eighties because it wasn’t just your numbers. It printed off alphabets too, which was the power of this calculator to look like receipts, because there was a lot of rebate fraud.
00:37:24:29 – 00:37:52:16
Keith
There was a lot of child labor free child labor was never paid for. Think you know that Indiana Jones episode with all those kids. Think about that except two kids in Michigan. And that’s what we’re talking about here. And there was a dot matrix printer as well later on in those crimes for mailing labels. Now, another piece of technology we talked about a lot in a bunch of different episodes is the dark web.
00:37:52:20 – 00:38:26:18
Keith
And if you missed it, the dark web is not where you usually go with your normal web browsers. You need a special web browser that uses a certain type of encryption in order to get on the special network, which is called It’s where the dark web is. Now, we talked about this and violence as a service with Pat the Bat, but we also talked about it with Dr. Ilg, because on the dark web you can pretty much get anything you want.
00:38:26:18 – 00:38:52:12
Keith
If you have the right money, you can buy drugs there, you can buy violence, you can buy guns, you can buy pretty much anything that you can imagine on the black market. How do you buy that? Well, cryptocurrency. So there’s pluses and minuses to cryptocurrency. There’s a whole, you know, decentralized banking and all that for the good purposes.
00:38:52:12 – 00:39:27:13
Keith
But then the way the cryptocurrency is tracked is a little more anonymous than your traditional banking accounts. So attackers will use them to pay for things like drugs on the dark web, or they’ll pay for things like violence on the dark web because it’s a little more difficult to track back than, say, a paper check that I write with, you know, the name Keith or even or even cash that I have to go get from a bank account, you know, $10,000 in cash.
00:39:27:13 – 00:39:31:15
Keith
That would be something that somebody may notice, too.
00:39:31:17 – 00:39:36:15
Seth
But if you follow the money, you can still usually find your criminal.
00:39:36:17 – 00:39:48:27
Keith
Yeah, there are techniques for with cryptocurrency that we did talk about in several of our episodes that led them to the people that got it, got the proceeds.
00:39:48:29 – 00:39:50:04
Seth
Right.
00:39:50:07 – 00:40:20:25
Keith
And some other electronic communications. Just email, iMessage and our episode 11 of My Role, My Payroll H.R. Most of the crime I’d say 90% plus of the crime was committed just using email and probably 5% of it was committed over iMessage. And maybe the last 5% of it was committed over telephone. So it was a very low tech.
00:40:20:27 – 00:40:26:03
Keith
They didn’t need high tech tools in order to pull off that fraud case.
00:40:26:06 – 00:40:47:24
Seth
Yeah. And then the last couple there was an episode, I think it was the last episode of actually now there was more than a few falsifying electronic documents. Right. It’s you know, if you have the right tools, not terribly hard to do. And, you know, without the forensics involved can be very hard to prove or disprove electronic nuclear submarine secrets.
00:40:47:27 – 00:41:28:18
Seth
Referring to Episode 12, Our Spies and Naval Nuclear Secrets and Annapolis Matter. That one was unique because it was so specific and obviously kind of scary if you think about what was attempted to being sold, although it turns out it was really more of an entrapment situation. But, you know, that case also brought up some other interesting technologies that talked about encryption, which is thousands of year old method of protecting data and specific thing I’d never heard of before called proton mail, which is a secure messaging service out of Geneva, which is pretty heavy duty, which is one of the more interesting things that our dynamic duo there was involved in, plus a peanut butter
00:41:28:18 – 00:41:36:18
Seth
sandwich, which was technically used to commit the fraud and the crime. So I’m considering that a technology.
00:41:36:20 – 00:41:44:10
Keith
I want to say protonmail. I think Nickolas Sharp used it in the Ubiquiti case too it for his ransom, if I remember correctly.
00:41:44:18 – 00:42:18:14
Seth
Yeah, it could have been credit reports, which was part of episodes 13 on Credit Fixers for hire, which was very We’ll talk about that one later. It was a very interesting and frankly, ingenious use of PII and credit reports as a crime. And we’ll talk about that later. And then false police reports, which also ties to episode 13 in an effort to, I guess, basically enforce the idea that there was a identity theft in order to get money back that should never be given back.
00:42:18:16 – 00:42:22:28
Seth
So we’ll get to that as well. Keith, let’s run through the last few here.
00:42:23:00 – 00:42:57:05
Keith
Yep. We got an episode 14, a doctor, Dr. Alario, who had medical records, and this episode we call a doctor sells out because Dr. Alario allows a sale, a pharmaceutical sales representative, just free reign of his office and his patients in order to sell them drugs that they don’t need at the beginning. And then later on, they all kind of work together to prescribe stuff that they they even know that they don’t need.
00:42:57:05 – 00:43:37:15
Keith
And they probably don’t even take they just do it for money. This was faxes and emails, so it wasn’t all that complex. But that’s what that’s where that’s the state of medical records, at least in the point of this case, personally identifiable information. Now, this is big in episode 15, which is the fake prisoner charity, because what happened was there was a collection attempt and success on thousands of prisoners to get their personally identifiable information under the pretense of providing legal help for their cases.
00:43:37:17 – 00:44:05:02
Keith
And then what did they do? They did what we see happen over and over in all these cases that Seth and I have talked about, when they have IDs, they go out there and they do electronic tax filings, they do fraudulent ones on these IDs, and they make, you know, to 1 to $3000 at a time on each identity that they are able to send a false return to the IRS for this one.
00:44:05:02 – 00:44:36:19
Keith
They netted 12 million in fraudulent refunds, which was quite a bit of money. We saw cloud services used in episode 16, which is the Ubiquiti insider. And this was Nickolas Sharp. And specifically we saw AWS, which is Amazon Web Services, which is a backbone to a lot of services on the Internet cloud services. I can’t even give you I can’t say they do this one thing because they do so many things.
00:44:36:19 – 00:45:13:21
Keith
So you can imagine chat services are built on things like AWS cloud services. There are storage mechanism for videos built on it. Anything you can imagine, websites, data for websites, databases, all that stuff is built on things like Amazon Web Services. Now, specifically nerds like myself. When we code source code, we save it somewhere in the case of episode 16 that was saved in a repository online called GitHub, G I T H U B now.
00:45:13:21 – 00:45:47:10
Keith
When Nickolas Sharp, the criminal in this case, went out there and stole Ubiquiti’s shit. That was a technical term that we coined in that episode. But when he was out there stealing their shit, he used something called Surfshark VPN and VPN stands for Virtual private Network and it’s what attackers typically use to try to cover their tracks because it hides this thing called an IP address, which is this computerized number of what their computer is on the internet.
00:45:47:17 – 00:46:14:27
Keith
And this IP address can a lot of times be associated with a physical or geographical address. And that’s what police officers will use. At the end of the day, you get an IP address, you say, oh, it could be that cable modem in that person’s house and you go raid it. Right? Well, a VPN takes that IP address and makes it look like it somewhere else, makes it look like it’s in Sweden, makes it look like it’s out of Brazil somewhere
00:46:14:27 – 00:46:45:03
Keith
you are not so that way it makes it difficult for the attackers. And that’s what Nickolas Sharp did in episode number 16. Several episodes had electronic tax filing too many to count. I couldn’t. I’d have to take me a while to sit here and say, this one, this one, this one, because it seemed like if somebody stole I.D. information, the easiest way to monetize it was to make fraudulent tax returns, because the returns were usually pretty big.
00:46:45:05 – 00:46:47:28
Keith
Meaning over $1,000 at a time.
00:46:48:00 – 00:46:48:15
Seth
Was small.
00:46:48:15 – 00:46:59:20
Keith
And you could well big in the fact that you have one person’s name and you can make like $2,000 off that one person’s name, big per person.
00:46:59:22 – 00:47:17:21
Seth
Yeah. I thought you out now the amount was real. Well, but from a tax return perspective, you know, I mean most people don’t even have to file taxes unless you make a minimum of it. You know, ten or $15,000 in the U.S.? I think so. You know, for someone to get a return of, you know, $1,000 is de minimis for the IRS.
00:47:17:24 – 00:47:40:03
Keith
But for the criminal, using one person’s name and making 1 to $3000 on each person’s name. And let’s say you have 200 names, you’re making a lot of money. And that was my point is for per person, the criminal is making a lot of money. But you’re on the other side of it, Seth. What you’re saying is the IRS is not isn’t noticing it because it looks so small to the IRS.
00:47:40:03 – 00:47:59:24
Keith
So that’s why it worked. Yeah. Episode 19 The couple who cyberstalking together faces charges together. This guy used email like you wouldn’t believe, but specifically spoofing it. Anybody who pissed him off, he would spoof an email, probably throw some racist terms in there.
00:47:59:27 – 00:48:03:04
Seth
It was probably I had to read them. It was awful.
00:48:03:06 – 00:48:27:12
Keith
And send it to people that, you know, make it look like it was you and send it to somebody else or with spoofed emails complaining about you and then have other spoofed emails about you in there. It was just absolutely insane. And then there was this court mandated child custody messaging system, and you would say, Oh, well, it’s court mandated, so it must be protected.
00:48:27:12 – 00:48:52:03
Keith
Nope, nope. The criminal in this case, he hacked his ex-wife’s account in there and started using that, spoofed messages. And then we had text messages. We had not just text messages. We had spoofed text messages with a bunch of racist shit sent to cops. And that was pretty much, I think, what sent the ball rolling that caught the criminals in this case, because all the spoofed stuff, it happened to cops, too.
00:48:52:05 – 00:49:16:03
Seth
Yeah. So that was the technology and and, you know, the cousin of that would be what crimes were committed. So if you recall, we started each episode after the technology, we would talk about what crimes were committed. So we tried to try to consolidate it here. Now let’s kind of move forward here. So SIM swap and this is kind of sort of in order of the episodes, but you’ll see some of them are repeated sim swapping, right?
00:49:16:03 – 00:49:39:08
Seth
So why is that a crime? Because, you know, you’re swapping a SIM card without the owner’s permission and in furtherance of a crime, you’re definitely triggering several crimes. Right? Identity theft. Theft of personal property. And then usually you’re, you know, allowing theft of cryptocurrency or other funds, you know, through that unauthorized access to victims or users, social media, online accounts.
00:49:39:08 – 00:49:59:03
Seth
And we learned that why certain social media account usernames are so valuable. So if you know somebody let’s say, you know, we we talk about it you know, let’s say you’re you’re on Twitter. You want New York State, that one’s going to be pretty good, you know, things like that. So very short ones. California dot gov C A dot gov, things that are really short are super valuable.
00:49:59:06 – 00:50:20:03
Seth
So we had an episode about people trying to try to hijack those or take them on. Theft of funds first few episodes were really basically about stealing people’s cryptocurrency. And that was interesting because that’s actually what it’s designed to avoid. Swatting, which came up a few times, which is one of those things where you kind of scratch your head and you’re like, That’s not a big deal.
00:50:20:03 – 00:50:38:06
Seth
And you realize it is a big deal because a somebody died from it in one of our cases. But realize what an asshole and yet so simple thing it is to do. You don’t like your neighbor. Take a random cell phone and say that they need EMS or they need a fire at their house and they run over there because, you know, the civil servants have to respond to that.
00:50:38:06 – 00:50:57:20
Seth
And it turns out you just wasted a ton of time and taxpayer money and efforts. And it’s really kind of a terrible thing to do. So we saw swatting. And for those who don’t know that media you’re calling emergency services or law enforcement to someone’s house and a false pretense around a stolen ID situation. Keith, you want to take the next few?
00:50:57:23 – 00:51:11:07
Keith
Yeah, I’ll mention something in relation that swatting too. We have a little brother to swatting that we saw in our last episode, and I don’t even know if we have a term for it, but it’s basically using child protective services against an ex.
00:51:11:11 – 00:51:11:24
Seth
Yeah.
00:51:11:25 – 00:51:33:27
Keith
And sort of works the same way where you go, Hey, my kids say that my ex was sexually molesting them and then CPS like the police, you know, they take that stuff seriously and they go do an investigation and it makes it hell for the other person on the other side if they’re not actually doing what it is they’re being accused of.
00:51:33:29 – 00:52:00:18
Keith
And we saw that. And it’s it’s the same type of weapon. It’s just a different agency involved in some other crimes, violent crimes. We saw shootings. Thank God we didn’t see anybody actually shot, but we saw shootings into a house. We saw a really bad firebombing that did a lot of damage to the house. It actually did catch the house on fire on the side.
00:52:00:21 – 00:52:23:13
Keith
Fucking light it, man. Fucking light it fucking light it, Fucking light it. We saw tons and tons of IRS file, false IRS filings and you’re like, Keith, What do you mean, tons? I will tell you in one episode, the Gosha episode one criminal crew filed over 7000 false returns.
00:52:23:16 – 00:52:26:06
Seth
It’s fairly epic.
00:52:26:06 – 00:52:34:12
Keith
That is so, so many returns. I, I don’t even like filing one for myself. I don’t know how they did thousands.
00:52:34:14 – 00:52:51:10
Seth
Well that’s just that it McDonaldized the process it’s actually quite impressive imagine if they were using that power for good I also thought each case was interesting because prior to that statistically all of the crimes were committed by young white men. So this was a major detour from that.
00:52:51:13 – 00:53:19:03
Keith
Yeah. And the chronological and the current chronology of our episodes, that was the first time we deviated from young white men being the criminals in our case. So a ton of I.D. theft because you had to in order to do these false IRS filing that we told you about. We saw unauthorized use of a law enforcement database, and we saw this for stalking purposes.
00:53:19:05 – 00:53:55:15
Keith
First of all, which is scary as hell, because that’s the person you should be going to when you’re being stalked. But they’re the ones stalking you. And we also saw unauthorized use of law enforcement databases to you to monetize the data that’s in it in the oh the episode’s escaping me. Oh, the three officers, three schemes where the officers use law enforcement databases to get personally identifiable information, sell it to people who would then do these tax filings and make more money.
00:53:55:18 – 00:54:26:28
Seth
Right. So we talked about unauthorized use of online accounts. That’s the idea of taking over somebody’s Twitter or their social media account and posting crazy things, cyberstalking. So this we see this in very as forms across season one, including the extortion in episode eight, stalking behind where the officer was extorting victims over nude images, but he shared his own pic, which was just kind of, you know, good for the goose, good for the gander thing.
00:54:27:00 – 00:55:00:03
Seth
We also saw the unauthorized use of a slushie, a fantastic example of the Louisville Metro PD professionalism. Several videos, sorry, several police officers were involved in slushie gate, several times using unmarked car. So what they would do is the police officers would stalk victims and offer language like that family or that person looks thirsty and then they would wing a slushy at them, videotaped the whole encounter and drive away, which is entertaining to the fact that you’re thinking, wow, people still do that, that’s fucking stupid anyways.
00:55:00:04 – 00:55:14:18
Seth
But those are cops that are doing it and it’s just kind of, you know, really that’s what the cops are doing in Louisville. Yeah. So anyway, let’s get to the last couple of here Keith. Actually, it’s more than a couple yet.
00:55:14:20 – 00:55:43:10
Keith
We saw a rebate fraud in the rebate kingpin. We saw child labor law violations. We saw not illegal, but it should be just general douchey behavior fraud for free plane tickets where this kingpin would buy a bunch of clothes at a store, get free plane tickets for them, and then basically return the clothes later on, and then just keep the ticket very, very douchey.
00:55:43:12 – 00:56:10:01
Keith
One of my favorite episodes, just because it was it didn’t sound real, was the episode ten, which is Doctor Ilg. Conspiracy to commit violence was the big one. The violence against the former coworker wanted to break the coworkers hands and you would go, Oh my God, that sounds horrible. But the coworker was a doctor, so breaking their hands is as bad as you think it is, but would also end that person’s career.
00:56:10:01 – 00:56:38:29
Keith
They that was what they did. And then he didn’t stop there. He did the same types of things with his ex-wife. He wanted to drug her and set her up in a sex escrow and all sorts of shit. Kidnaping was the big one in there. He wanted the hitman to kidnap her. And then once he kidnapped her he had a whole laundry list of stuff that he had to do that the kidnaper had to do to her, which was become addicted to drugs.
00:56:38:29 – 00:57:03:16
Keith
And I still this is this is why a quote unquote say this is my favorite episode, because he expected the kidnappers to drug his ex-wife and then teach her how to keep drugging herself. It’s just I, I still can’t wrap my head around that Episode seven, which was the Michael T Mann case. There was a ton of fraud in there.
00:57:03:16 – 00:57:06:24
Keith
And I’m going to let you take that one. Seth.
00:57:06:26 – 00:57:34:21
Seth
Yeah, I mean, so that’s a guy that had a very complicated web of companies essentially operating a big Ponzi scheme, and we’ll get into that a little later in a little more detail. But he had set up that he had set he was the owner of several companies set it set up a scheme where he would file false invoices and then he used the fake invoices as loan collateral for millions of dollars.
00:57:34:21 – 00:57:52:03
Seth
And then he used those fraudulent loans and the lines of credit to pay those false invoices to his other own companies. So he thought he was being super slick. It took a while for the authorities to kind of get wind of this, but that was a that’s a case where we literally had to give a visual of kind of how the fraud operated.
00:57:52:03 – 00:58:23:13
Seth
But it was ingenious and incredibly douchey. We saw a case that involved the theft of classified government military information. That’s the episode 12 on Submarine Secrets. We saw this selling of United States classified information to other countries of the same. Episode 13 was the credit Fixers where our brilliant duo had fraudulent ID theft reports inside a police department and fraudulent disputes on credit reports.
00:58:23:13 – 00:58:58:15
Seth
So basically what they were doing, I guess, was they would use stolen PII to create a a fraudulent assessed assertion of identity theft. And then they had bribed police officers to file a police report. Enforcing yeah, ID theft really happened here and get their money back and they would charge people for this service. And it was kind of batshit crazy to me.
00:58:58:17 – 00:59:03:23
Seth
Anyway, let’s see here. Keith you want to take episode 14?
00:59:03:25 – 00:59:31:11
Keith
Episode 14 We had a lot of health care fraud because a doctor sold his patients out, sold them out hard at the beginning. I don’t know if they knew they were sold out at the beginning, but somewhere around halfway through the episode in this criminal timeline, the patients definitely knew they’re being sold out and they were in on the deal and there was a ton of health care fraud going on between the patients.
00:59:31:13 – 01:00:10:12
Keith
The representative of the pharmaceutical company and the doctors. With episode 15, we have indigent inmates. This is filing thousands of fraudulent tax returns with I.D. theft. So the Shabazz was the person that collected all the inmates information and filed the false tax returns like we talked about in other episodes. Data theft for Ubiquiti on episode 16 was an interesting case because the insider stole the data.
01:00:10:12 – 01:00:45:20
Keith
So initially in the case you thought a hacker took the data, but it was actually an insider. So I don’t know if you technically would call it data theft. I guess it is because he was unauthorized to do it even though he worked there. But then he did destruction of evidence. And when I say that, I mean he turned the logging into a state that it wouldn’t continue to keep logs for a long period of time and only keep the last 24 hours in hopes that his criminal activities would just kind of go away.
01:00:45:20 – 01:01:17:14
Keith
They would just disappear because his he set the logging policies to say only keep the last 24 hours. And as long as the investigation happens 24 hours after his last activity. In theory, there should be no logs of it. In episode 17, we had identity theft, more fraudulent IRS tax filings. This is just the biggest bang for the criminals bucks when they have stolen I.D.s.
01:01:17:17 – 01:01:38:19
Keith
But we did see something that was interesting. We saw a protection for fraudulent check cashing service where a police officer was told, hey, there’s a courier coming, has a ton of dirty checks. We want you to protect him. He’s going to cash it over here. But by the way, did I mention tons of dirty, dirty checks? Yeah. We want your protection.
01:01:38:21 – 01:01:41:21
Keith
And he did it for almost nothing.
01:01:41:23 – 01:02:09:06
Seth
Yeah, we’ll come back to that issue in the last couple of here. Episode 18 was identity theft and more tax fraud yet again when here families work together like the Michigan rebate kingpin to steal PII from enlisted military individuals. The Alabama Department of Public Health and Wal-Mart, because they had a check cashing business within that Wal-Mart and the people were willing to happily sell out their customers there.
01:02:09:08 – 01:02:20:20
Seth
In episode 19 are probably our favorite episode. A couple of cyber stalks together faces charges together. I mean, where do we even begin? Cyberstalking, impersonating an officer
01:02:20:20 – 01:02:45:21
Seth
falsifying numerous federal official records, some of which may be classified or secret, marijuana usage, which is still illegal at the federal level. If you’re a federal employee and know that the above crimes do not really articulate the absolute fucking trail of destruction left in from the criminals here, well, we’ll learn more in our in our final category here of who was the biggest shitbag.
01:02:45:21 – 01:02:52:09
Keith
This week ran a little longer than we were planning. So we’re going to end part one here and come back next week
01:02:52:09 – 01:02:59:02
Keith
and catch part two of season one wrap up. Thanks. See you then.
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