Sit back and take in everything that was eCrimeBytes season 1! Part 1 of this episode is at:
eCrimeBytes S 1 Ep 20 Pt 1: Season 1 Review!
Chapters:
- 0:00 Back To The Review…
- 9:50 Biggest Tool
- 20:31 Most Innovative Use Of Technology
- 27:07 Biggest S***bag
Transcript:
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Keith
Hey, welcome back to season one wrap up of
00:00:14:26 – 00:00:19:28
Keith
eCrimeBytes. We’re going to go ahead and get right back into it where we left off.
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Seth
I thought it’d be fun, Keith, to kind of run through briefly some of the more amusing quotes from criminal activity here
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Seth
that made it into the court documents we read. So keeping in mind that a judge or some lawyers had to read some of this shit, which I found to me, or just kind of disclosing how ridiculously silly some of these criminals are.
00:00:41:21 – 00:01:05:25
Seth
As an example, we have I believe this is from shoot. I want to say this is one of our earlier episodes where this is I think violence is a crime, where in a chat. And this is again, in the court documents, it says, quote, Why did they shoot her house? And a user responded because they got played well and the other person says it’s you N-word Pat.
00:01:05:28 – 00:01:29:05
Seth
And he’s like, Yeah, that’s me. It’s like the dude just admitted to a crime on a chat, which clearly is going to be collected as evidence. And there it was. I thought that was very interesting from episode seven. This is a swatting payback in Maryland, where one attacker thinks another quote snaked him. I thought this was really, really amusing.
00:01:29:08 – 00:01:55:16
Seth
Where did he say the defendant begins threatening one of the other crime criminals there named Milleson. Unless Milleson shared in the proceeds of the crime, the defendant writes, You are capping my N-word and stop trying to play me my N-word. And one of the defendant’s other accomplice immediately followed up saying, I’m. Yeah, I’m going to burn your house down and shredded to its core when I get info on you, I’m a ruin your life just like I did to someone else.
00:01:55:16 – 00:02:26:08
Seth
Basically, their threats are a combination of ruining their house but also posting shit online from them. It’s just a very disparate set of threats, right? Burning your house down and posting negative things about you online, which I guess is a reality. But I just found that interesting and amusing. But Keith, you’re going to take the winner here because getting into episode ten and Dr. Ilg I mean, what he actually specifically referenced multiple times was just my it was the best part of the season.
00:02:26:10 – 00:02:55:25
Keith
All right. So we’ve alluded to this so many times. So Dr. Shitbag, Dr. Ronald Shitbag Ilg had very specific tastes of what he wanted done to his ex-wife and. All right, so let me give you a little setup here. So basically, Dr. Ilg at this point has placed about $2,000 in Bitcoin, which is cryptocurrency, into an escrow account.
00:02:55:25 – 00:03:20:10
Keith
And this is that’s why we’re cracking jokes about sex escrow or someone on the dark net web to physically assault victim one by breaking her hand. And now victim one was the doctor he worked with that he thought turned him in for something that I’m kind of reading between the lines. It sounded like maybe he crossed lines sexually.
00:03:20:12 – 00:03:43:25
Keith
Again, that was just my speculation, but that’s kind of what it sounded like. He got turned in. There was some investigation. I think he left his practice or had to leave his practice. He had salty feelings towards this doctor and this is what he wanted done, he said as a pseudonym, Scar two one five. Because he really liked lions.
00:03:43:27 – 00:04:00:05
Keith
He said the target should be given a significant beating. That is obvious. Fuck me, I don’t know what a beating, a non obvious beating is, but Jesus, he continues to say it should injure both hands significantly or break the hands. I tried to attach a pic, but it wouldn’t load.
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Seth
Which means he actually had an image in his mind of what broken hands should look like, which is kind of dark.
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Keith
Yeah.
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Keith
All right. So then we talked about his he that was the coworker or the former worker that he used to work with that he wanted to do damage to. He then had his ex-wife and this is where shit got really crazy because what he wanted was for this hitman to kidnap his ex-wife, hold her hostage, drug her not stop there, teach her how to drug herself, and then get her to release Dr. Ilg of all these charges that she has against him, once that happens, has to have sex with him.
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Keith
And there’s the sex escrow. And basically pretend everything goes to normal. Okay, So I’m going to read you what he said about this. And this is and I’ll tell you this, this case is really interesting. You really need to go listen to this case because there was more than just a snippet. There’s so much more than just a snippet.
00:05:09:16 – 00:05:42:14
Keith
But he says to earn the additional associated bonus within two weeks of the target being his ex-wife, the target being released, she will have completed this specific goal. Goal number one, permanently withdraw all court motions that all mediated agreements. Bonus ten K meaning $10,000 number two return to your husband by asking to move back home and fucking him at least three times within the two week timeframe.
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Keith
That bonus was ten K his number three was tell her to keep her mouth shut and tell no one ever about the kidnapping. That bonus was ten K. God I guess was it an option that she could tell people Seth Jesus. All right. Point number four was inject her daily with heroin and teach her to do it and supply pics and videos of her injecting herself.
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Keith
That one was only five K and point number five was to plant drugs and used needles with her DNA in the needles throughout her home. Provide some pics of drugs and needles scattered around for another five k. So what I just read you as Dr. Ilg’s wish lists of bonuses to his hitman for all the crazy shit he wants to do to his ex-wife.
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Keith
And thankfully, if you haven’t listened to this episode, he did not do this stuff.
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Keith
All right. And some of the other ones that were humorous was the dead drop for the National Secrets for Oh shoot I forget which episode this one was?
00:06:40:12 – 00:08:46:11
Seth
So Steiner worked for one of the largest health care providers, that’s optum or unitedhealth. He would send emails and make calls representing optum and unitedhealth telling the kingpin Michael T Mann’s financing companies that the fake invoices were real and would be paid. And his work for our fraud consisted of sending fake paperwork for years. Right. I think it was like 2013 through 2019, 2014 to 2017 across different entities. So Steiner worked for one of the largest health care providers, that’s optum or unitedhealth. He would send emails and make calls representing optum and unitedhealth telling the kingpin Michael T Mann’s financing companies that the fake invoices were real and would be paid. And his work for our fraud consisted of sending fake paperwork for. Years. Right. I think it was like 2013 through 2019, 2014 to 2017 across different entities.
00:06:52:23 – 00:06:53:26
Seth
Episode 12.
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Keith
Episode 12 with the Navy Nuclear Secrets with Jonathan and Diana Toebbe. So quote in the court paperwork here that kind of summed up the humorous ness of this situation, the SD card, which is the SanDisk card, which is just a memory card, was wrapped in plastic and placed between two slices of bread and a half of peanut butter sandwich.
00:07:23:28 – 00:07:29:12
Keith
The half a sandwich was housed inside of a plastic bag.
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Seth
Yeah, I love that. I thought that was really entertaining to read in a court document. All right, So I thought we should have a brief, I guess, contest for who is the biggest tool meaning here in all of our episodes, who was like the middle man or middle person was used the most and most central to the committing of the crime, but got paid the least.
00:07:55:18 – 00:08:46:11
Seth
So we have a couple options here. We have Kirk from episode four, the Twitter hack. I work at Twitter. Don’t show this to anyone seriously, which demonstrated Kirk’s ability to take control of value were valuable Twitter accounts. We have Luke Steiner from episode 11. That’s my payroll h.r. And has to be right. This is the middle man who was absolutely the fulcrum to the fraud here.
00:08:46:13 – 00:09:15:05
Seth
He sent information, confirmation emails with the financing companies essentially insuring and allowing the fraud to actually happen totaling over $17 million in false invoices and Steiner’s work yielded Michael T Mann tens of millions of dollars beyond that. Steiner pleaded guilty and had to pay back in restitution over $13 million. So wait for it. How much did Michael Mann get paid for his years of his troubles?
00:09:15:07 – 00:09:30:15
Seth
$11,700 in Amazon gift cards? I mean, it kind of it kind of I think is the self-explanatory winner here. But but we have some other options. Keith, what do you think about the Toebbes?
00:09:30:17 – 00:09:37:05
Keith
Yeah, we have the Toebbes. So they were the couple from Annapolis that sold the or tried to sell the nuclear secrets to.
00:09:37:07 – 00:09:46:05
Seth
They were entrapped. Bunch them. They were entrapped because and this is, I think, my favorite part of it and we didn’t talk about this earlier. Keith the nation state turned them down.
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Keith
Yeah,
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Keith
I don’t know. I don’t know. I would say entrap, though. So basically what happened was this couple went to another country and said, I have some secrets. Will you pay me? The other country went, this isn’t very good, hold on a second. Went over to the FBI, handed them the shit, and then the FBI stood in their place and were like, Hey, we’re the country now.
00:10:12:02 – 00:10:17:14
Keith
Yeah, we’ll pay you. So they basically we’re talking with the FBI the whole time,
00:10:17:14 – 00:10:43:07
Keith
So this is the case where they hid the data in the peanut butter jelly sandwich in the park bench. And to me, this is one of the biggest mind blowing things outside the larping was the FBI even got this country to switch their flag to look like yes, this country was communicating with this couple because the couple said, hey, country, will you switch your flag on your embassy.
00:10:43:07 – 00:11:13:01
Keith
So that way we know we’re actually talking with you. The FBI scrambled real fast, went over there, said, hey, will you switch flag for us? They were like, yup. And they did. And and a couple were like, we’re dealing with the foreign country. So from there they I don’t for what they sold. Now we talk about a lot of cases and it’s just kind of like and I don’t want to make it sound minimal but it’s like ID theft, right?
00:11:13:01 – 00:11:34:21
Keith
It’s you make a couple thousand here, you make a couple thousand there. But these people had nuclear sub secrets and at the end of the day, even if they would have gotten all the money, it was less than $100,000. Even if they were got all the money, which seemed very low for selling out your country. So you’re never going to be able to work again.
00:11:34:22 – 00:11:52:24
Keith
You’re going to have to move to another country somewhere else. You’re probably going to have to worry about your safety because you just sold, you know, if your name becomes public and you just sold out, your military, people aren’t going to be happy with you. There’s a lot of stuff that you’re going to be selling out for less than $100,000.
00:11:52:24 – 00:12:09:09
Keith
I’m going to go out on a limb and say Jonathan and Diana probably made more than $100,000 a year individually. So it seems like a very low payout for what they were. They were giving this potential foreign country.
00:12:09:12 – 00:12:36:17
Seth
Yeah. I don’t want to minimize to the other two pieces there, Jones, we have evidence that he’s a LARPer and we have direct evidence. You have direct evidence that she would literally get, quote, fall down the stairs drunk, unquote, so often that at a dinner party after a said collapse, the husband would acknowledge it and say it happens just like Forrest Gump after he ran into a pile of dog shit.
00:12:36:20 – 00:13:02:08
Seth
So I got to tell you, I feel like that does give them some tool credibility. Let’s talk, though, about Dr. Charles Frank. Sorry, Frank. Charles, Alario. We’ve mentioned him several times. This is episode 14. A doctor sells out. So what did he do? He basically sold out his patients and he sold them out to some pharma salesmen douchebags who essentially were able to do the following.
00:13:02:11 – 00:13:24:21
Seth
They basically ran his practice, including sitting in on patient meetings. I want you guys to put yourselves listeners, put yourself in one of his patient’s shoes. You’re seeing Dr. Frank. I forgot what he had a specific function where he was able to kind of, I guess, prescribe some off label or off use medications for certain ailments. Right? We all have ailments.
00:13:24:23 – 00:13:39:23
Seth
So imagine going into his office and he’s like, don’t worry about that guy. And tell you that guy is these these are pharmaceutical salesmen, all right. Who play an important role. I don’t want to minimize it, but they are not doctors. They should have zero input directly with patients.
00:13:39:25 – 00:13:44:26
Keith
In some cases. He said it was his cousin and stuff. Yeah, we’ll get there. Right. He. He up and up lied.
00:13:45:03 – 00:13:53:15
Seth
So these guys had access to restricted areas in his offices. You know those areas with medical files.
00:13:53:15 – 00:14:06:16
Seth
These Guys had access to his offices via employee only entrances during and after hours. These guys were introduced as relatives of the doctor, and they would essentially treat patients.
00:14:07:07 – 00:14:27:18
Seth
And fill out prescriptions for patients. The pharma douchebags and their companies made millions of dollars here. So what did the good doctor get out of it? Because Doctor, generally a guy with multiple practices, right? I think you had one in Philly and one down Florida. He probably did. All right. What did he really need? Well, let’s see what he got out of it.
00:14:27:18 – 00:14:47:10
Seth
He got free lunches and dinners. The pharma guys would come in and treat him and his staff wine for him and his staff. He was, quote, driven around because apparently Dr. Alario ordered drive himself and ostensibly got some free travel whenever the pharma douchebags would come and go, the doctor ended up getting a light sentence. He pled out.
00:14:47:10 – 00:14:59:17
Seth
He did a year and financial penalties, but he essentially threw away his entire career and moreover his dignity, Hippocratic Oath and all that. I find that to be utterly tool esqe.
00:14:59:17 – 00:15:26:03
Keith
So our last tool that we’re going to talk about here in this section is Officer Vidal Frederick, and this is from episode 17 three Officers three Schemes. He’s a Miami, Florida police officer, and he actually had two schemes. So, I guess, it was three officers for, but I didn’t want to confuse you. So he had two schemes himself. He had one scheme which is providing protection for known illicit activity.
00:15:26:03 – 00:15:52:09
Keith
He wasn’t accidentally protecting something he thought was okay. He knew that there were dirty checks involved and he was providing protection for money. How much did he provide? Protection. So he had three jobs. How much do you think he provided this protection for? $600. And you probably like that. For some people it’s $600, depending how you look at it.
00:15:52:09 – 00:15:55:19
Keith
Could be a lot or could be a little. When I look at it, I think.
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Seth
It was actually $200. Jones It was $200. He just did it three times.
00:16:01:18 – 00:16:05:02
Keith
Yeah, 600 across three jobs is what I’m saying. Right?
00:16:05:02 – 00:16:31:23
Keith
Yeah. So there’s two ways you can look at it. You can look at it as, you know, $600 is a lot of money. Or you could say $600 isn’t a lot of money to throw your police officer career away. And that’s how I choose to look at it. Which is it would take way more than even thousands of dollars to want to throw a police officer salary away in my mind.
00:16:31:23 – 00:17:00:06
Keith
And this guy did it for $200 a job or $600 total for this first scheme. Now his other scheme, which was the one we spent more time on was identity theft. And specifically he would take IDs from this driver’s license database and sell them to who he thought was a fraudster. But it was a confidential informant for the FBI.
00:17:00:08 – 00:17:24:05
Keith
There was a lot of weird numbers in this episode where different officers were quoted different amounts of money for different sets of IDs, and it was weird, but sometimes it was $1,000 for 50 names. But then by the time they gave him 100 names, it was $1,000 for 100 names. And you go, Why did he just make less than they agreed upon?
00:17:24:05 – 00:17:25:23
Keith
And it was very, very confusing.
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Keith
Those guys there. There were there were three guys that made money and the other two guys made thousands of dollars. Officer Frederick, on the other hand, he only made $600 for selling 52 individuals’ personally identifiable information to this confidential informant who then gave it to the FBI. And you go, Wow, that is interesting
00:17:52:08 – 00:18:19:18
Keith
Keith but let me give you a little bit of reference here. His friends were selling 50 names for at least $1,000. So Officer Frederick was basically getting ripped off by the confidential informant left and right. And both schemes, in my opinion, he was getting ripped off in both schemes and, didn’t seem to care, and then basically was caught and lost his ability to be a police officer.
00:18:19:18 – 00:18:35:24
Seth
I was going to say this dude threw away his career, his dignity and his oath for either 1200 or 1400 dollars. And I was just saying to myself, well, how badly are Miami PD paid? I saw all the Bad Boys movies, both Martin Lawrence and Will Smith’s character is seem to be.
00:18:35:24 – 00:18:39:05
Keith
Doing just fine. One of them had a Porsche.
00:18:39:07 – 00:18:49:10
Seth
Yeah. I think his character, like, came from money. But either way, like, I mean, if you’re going to do something sketchy get paid for it at least, right? I mean, you know, what’s your incentive? I mean, look, we don’t.
00:18:49:10 – 00:19:04:27
Keith
Know if you’re going to do this. We got to we got to make this more season two, which is the throwing away your career versus what you make ratio. We got to come up with something because it’s.
00:19:04:27 – 00:19:20:02
Seth
Got to be a calculation or a calculus or an algorithm there. But I mean, maybe he had a very, very sick, you know, close relative and he needed any money he can get his hands on. But I know many, many police officers or people in law who work second jobs, and, you know, there’s a lot of overtime to be made.
00:19:20:02 – 00:19:41:21
Seth
I mean, there’s, you know, for way more than 1200 dollars. I mean, that’s it was either he just had an extremely loose moral conviction or was that desperate? I don’t know. Either way, he’s a candidate for biggest tool. I still think Steiner wins the award here, clearly. But I think Officer Frederick is is a dark horse here. All right, So.
00:19:41:24 – 00:19:46:21
Keith
Steiner. Steiner is top of my list. Steiner get screwed because he got hosed.
00:19:46:24 – 00:19:47:18
Seth
So bad.
00:19:47:20 – 00:19:59:28
Keith
I bet you. I bet you the whole time when Steiner had an attorney, his attorney is probably reading how bad Steiner got screwed compared to other people. And you just kind of look at I’m like, this guy’s a fucking idiot. Well, I know that.
00:20:00:00 – 00:20:13:24
Seth
He’s on the hook for 13 million. I mean, it’s not just the time in his career, you know, He got paid 11 grand and he’s on the hook for three. If you are the if he got like if he made $10 million. Right. And let’s just say he was not turned in. He had a Cayman Island account. Right.
00:20:13:27 – 00:20:30:23
Seth
And let’s say he does five years, he’s got to pay back 100,000 or a million. He’s like, all right, I’m not starving. Maybe it was even worth it. But to make 11 grand and Amazon gift cards and do whatever amount of time and have a 13 million bill at the end of it, I mean, it’s just it wins the award.
00:20:30:25 – 00:20:54:29
Seth
Definitely. So I thought it’d be worth having a quick chat about what of the cases was the innovative use of technology, you know, kind of the entire scheme. I mean, the dark horse winner here is going to be, of course, the kingpin of Michigan, because she would make do with 1980s technology. But I’m going to accept that one because, you know, there’s personal connections here, but let’s run through some real good ones here.
00:20:54:29 – 00:21:23:16
Seth
Episode six Creating bank accounts at various banks. We’re talking major banks, Wells Fargo, SunTrust, Publix Credit Union down in Florida, Chase Bank, Regions Bank with various PII from different people, and a plan was hatched to file many fraudulent tax returns, all of nominal amounts. And it took a long time for law enforcement to catch up with here over five years.
00:21:23:18 – 00:21:47:27
Seth
That was pretty interesting. I thought that was an interesting specific example of the use of, you know, filing file, sorry, filing false tax returns. Another episode ten was using the dark Web to solicit violence or hire kidnapers. I mean, I guess historically people would go to a dark alley or maybe use Craigslist. So I thought just using the dark Web for that was kind of interesting.
00:21:47:27 – 00:21:55:15
Seth
Maybe it’s super common. I’m not someone that does that very often. Keith, You take the next one because it might be my favorite.
00:21:55:17 – 00:22:24:13
Keith
Use of a peanut butter sandwich to transfer nuclear sub secrets. That was interesting. But I have to say, I, I have to explain some context here. To the criminals credit, they did want to do a dead drop online. So that way they never faced each other. Right. Because law enforcement, they want to see you physically, right? They want to see who’s doing this.
00:22:24:13 – 00:22:49:27
Keith
And then later on, they want to take the handcuffs and put it physically on a person. So there’s this constant battle of the criminals wanting to stay virtual on the Internet and law enforcement going, Yeah, but I need you to drop it on a park bench out in Virginia instead. And then this couple must went to Google and said, dead drop and read somewhere that you put it in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
00:22:49:27 – 00:22:54:24
Keith
And that’s what they did in this case. The
00:22:54:24 – 00:23:32:10
Keith
use of technology to try to clear credit. What’s the word negativity off of people’s credit reports, where they went to police officers and said, hey, I need you to file a I.D. theft report for these people and they give them a list and the officers would file these reports. And what that would allow these credit fixers to do is then say, oh, these people that have bad credit, it’s not their fault there was ID theft in here.
00:23:32:13 – 00:23:47:17
Keith
Oh, you don’t need to trust me. I’ve got a police officer’s report that I can show you and it’s fraudulent. And then you know they get their credit bumped up because everything looks correct and they say, oh, must be fraudulent.
00:23:47:19 – 00:24:19:29
Seth
My favorite part about that was, the quid pro quo, where sometimes instead of actually paying or bribing the Miami-Dade popo for fixing them, sometimes they would actually fix their credit lieu of paying them. Win win. So that was amusing. Episode 15 was the fake prisoner charity Indigent Inmates. So this was an idea of forming corporations in the name of an inmate, of course, without their knowledge or consent as applicants to allow conspirators access to a fraudulent file tax return.
00:24:20:02 – 00:24:46:07
Seth
Kind of interesting, right? So think about it. John Smith is a criminal and you take his name, you create John Smith Inc. John Smith Inc had maybe some unemployment compensation or something de minimis like that. You file the income tax return and you send it back in your name. That’s kind of an ingenious way to do it. And they only got busted because the perpetrators didn’t use enough variety of home addresses for the return.
00:24:46:07 – 00:25:01:14
Seth
So at some point the IRS and law enforcement got wind it because think about they deal with hundreds of millions of these returns. Right. So, you know, it’s almost like the odds are you won’t get caught. I thought that was a very, very ingenious use of the government bureaucracy.
00:25:01:17 – 00:25:05:17
Keith
Well, you said something important that has been on my mind since
00:25:05:17 – 00:25:23:12
Keith
we went over these cases, which was the bottleneck of having addresses to the tax fraud refunds you have. If you have thousands of refunds, you’re going to need at least hundreds of addresses to send these things to, if not thousands of addresses.
00:25:23:15 – 00:25:49:02
Keith
And like Seth said, that was a problem in that case. And that’s why I followed up with the next case was Anthony Boo Boo Gosha’s ID theft scheme, because they did something that I, I obviously not a criminal. I would never have thought of this. They went to postal employees and said, Hey, I’m going to pay some money for you to give me some information about people across your route will you do that.
00:25:49:04 – 00:26:14:14
Keith
And the employees said sure thing. So then the criminals came back and they said, got another favor to ask of you. Postal employees said what’s that. Criminals say I got some IRS fraudulent checks coming through the mail to people who don’t even know they’re getting them on your route that you gave me their name and I need you to pick them up before they actually get to the address.
00:26:14:16 – 00:26:50:29
Keith
Give them to me so I can cash them. Can you do that for me? And those multiple postal employees said sure thing. That blew my mind. That blew my mind. That that was because lot of times and I say it blows my mind because a lot of times where we work, Seth and I work, we look at high end technological crimes where you talk about exploits and deleting logs and malware and just very, very technical stuff.
00:26:51:02 – 00:27:05:20
Keith
This was a very low tech solution to a problem that the IRS put in the way of them getting the money. It was a very low tech solution and it was just amazing.
00:27:05:23 – 00:27:26:03
Seth
All right. I think it’s come to the time where we are going to finish up this episode by reviewing who was the biggest shitbag. So had a hard think about this. Jones and I talked about this. We debated it a lot, so let’s get into it. So and I think the winner and we’ll take a vote at the end here is not who you might think it is.
00:27:26:03 – 00:27:53:12
Seth
So let’s start with episode four. Kirk from a Twitter hack. This idea that I work at Twitter so I don’t show this to anyone, seriously demonstrated Kirk’s ability to take control of valuable Twitter accounts. It’s a great case of being an insider, but there are definitely worse players in season one. But I mean, you know, a lot of the episodes early on we talked about how these crimes were only able to have been committed because of the insider, some of whom are tools like Steiner.
00:27:53:15 – 00:28:13:26
Seth
But it also shows a glaring lack of, I guess, a moral compass or ethics. That person would just be so willing to do that. It’s kind of a shit bag thing. But we actually I saw I think I saw some some way worse people. So let’s kind of escalate to our maybe our favorite perp by name anyway.
00:28:13:28 – 00:28:47:00
Keith
Yeah, this is the guy that we get. Well, I see all the activity on our websites and the one that leads to our website the most is PlugWalk Joe. PlugWalk Joe did a shit ton of a crime. He was involved in the Twitter hack. He did crypto theft. He swatted a juvenile. He sexually harassed a juvenile while he’s also not a juvenile.
00:28:47:00 – 00:29:13:00
Keith
So that’s an issue there. That that was the part that bothered me because the the the messages were in the court paperwork and they were not he he knew that she was under age and still came back for more, which is the part that bothered me. There was the extortion of high profile people like Bella Thorne, who once he got into their account, realized they had naked pictures and then extorted them for it.
00:29:13:06 – 00:29:54:13
Keith
And probably one of the more I don’t know if elegant is the right word, but that’s the one I’m going with. The elegant response to that. She posted them before he could, and she took that control back from him, which was probably the most positive part of her story, because he ran her through the ringer. So another thing I want to mention is plug Walk also pled recently got shipped back to the U.S. from Spain, pled and in my opinion, got a light sentence of only five years.
00:29:30:07 – 00:33:01:28
Keith
He didn’t want to He wanted supplied pics and videos so that way he can extort her. But not Doctor Ilg from episode ten. He this is where this is where our episodes are getting really good because he did pretty much everything he wanted to kidnap. He wanted drug. He didn’t want to just drug his wife. He wanted to have the kidnappers teach her how to drug herself. After they were done. He wanted supply pics and videos so that way he can extort her.
00:29:54:15 – 00:30:05:27
Keith
So that may factor into my vote here. Seth was his sentence, his low sentence may actually boost him up on my list of shitbagginess.
00:30:05:29 – 00:30:31:21
Seth
Yeah, well, let’s come back to it. So I thought this was an underrated one. Episode eight Violent Crime. I’m sorry, I forgot the name of episode 8, but this was the violent crimes detective at Louisville Metro Police Department Officer Bryan Andrew Wilson. This guy had access to a law enforcement database that provides phone numbers and social media accounts for investigative purposes.
00:30:31:24 – 00:30:58:12
Seth
This guy would target his victims using the above database to find his social media accounts. So this gave him contact info to target their social media usernames. This guy would ask others on the internet to get access to the account. So let’s add conspiracy here. This guy would encourage his accomplices to target additional victims and the accomplices would, you know, share nude photos with each other.
00:30:58:15 – 00:31:19:22
Seth
And that’s not even to get into the whole slushy gate thing, which we went into earlier. So the fact that this guy would not only do that and utilize his law enforcement access, but that he is a cop, he’s a violent crimes detective, this should be a hero. So I thought this guy was definitely in this shit bag running or bigger shit bag running, rather.
00:31:19:25 – 00:31:29:02
Seth
I’m going to throw it out there. We’re we’re not including Kingpin from episode nine. I can’t insult family Jones.
00:31:29:05 – 00:31:53:09
Keith
I don’t remember if I sent you the news article, Seth, but that guy you just talked about. Bryan Andrew Wilson Yeah, actually just got sued civilly by one of the women he harassed. And I read part of it and it’ll probably be an update sometime in season two, but I read part of it and this this tidbit was not in our episode and I’ll share it with you.
00:31:53:11 – 00:32:17:13
Keith
She never knew he was a police officer. She was harassed this whole time. It just kind of disappeared. She didn’t know what the fuck was going on. And then later on found out basically that because of the news, because of the slushy gate and all the other shit that this guy was in the news for found out that that was part of the her case.
00:32:17:15 – 00:32:23:24
Keith
And now she’s suing him civilly because of the trauma and stuff that she received. So go her go her.
00:32:24:01 – 00:33:01:28
Seth
Screw him. All right. I think we’re down to well, let’s talk about Dr. Ilg. You got to do it. This is your favorite? My favorite, too.
00:33:02:00 – 00:33:28:03
Keith
He wanted paraphernalia planted in her house. So that way it definitely looked like it was her. But he wanted her then to drop all the divorce proceedings and then we get to the sex escrow. And I laugh not because of her being subjected to this, but just because this guy thought that this would actually be a real plan.
00:33:28:06 – 00:33:59:07
Keith
He expected his ex-wife, who would be kidnapped and drugged and all this other stuff, who then must drop the divorce proceedings to then have sex with him not once, not twice, three times within I think it was a two week period. And if, you know, this is a bonus to his hitman and this is the reason why we say sex escrow, because his bonus was in this escrow account.
00:33:59:09 – 00:34:31:08
Keith
And Seth and I always wondered if, you know, maybe she theoretically only had sex with him twice, Would he go I want my money back. He also so that was the main issue was the ex-wife. But either side, he wanted to cause violence to a coworker that turned him in and he wanted to cause this person violence so much that they were a doctor.
00:34:31:08 – 00:34:51:06
Keith
They probably they definitely wouldn’t be working for a while because that hurt her, his hands will be broken, if not possibly forever. You know, if they’re a surgeon or something like that, they may not be able to do surgery. Was it Doctor Strange couldn’t do surgery? Is that the movie I’m not all up on now?
00:34:51:07 – 00:34:54:02
Seth
That was definitely Doctor Strange.
00:34:54:04 – 00:34:55:26
Keith
Yeah.
00:34:55:28 – 00:34:58:25
Seth
Keith got to go with the follow up because it was great.
00:34:58:27 – 00:35:25:09
Keith
Oh, yeah, I totally forgot about the follow up. So I caught a Daily Beast article of all the things that Doctor Ilg had been doing since the court paperwork stopped, One of them was he had a relationship, I believe it was, even to the point of maybe being a fiancee of a cell mate’s wife. And furthermore, he thought.
00:35:25:09 – 00:35:41:06
Keith
Or I guess it would be his ex-wife. And furthermore, he thought his story was so good that his story was like 50 Shades gray on steroids, which was amazing.
00:35:41:08 – 00:36:02:02
Seth
Yeah. I mean, the fact that he’d have we call this in Yiddish chutzpah, the balls to try to capitalize on his own awful shit, let’s do awful stuff. And then let’s see if I can get paid to do, you know, because I did that. I’m just saying, Keith, a case can be made for the Toebbes for attempting to sell out our country for not a huge amount of money.
00:36:02:02 – 00:36:19:05
Seth
So this is episode 12 again. But we don’t need to dig in, we already went into it. But think about what they did they twice really because I guess well, once they tried to reach out to the nation state and then they were you know, they were like, you know, they just turned him to FBI. And the FBI continued on with a ploy.
00:36:19:05 – 00:36:36:20
Seth
But, you know, these guys ostensibly both made, you know, well into six figures and they were willing to sell out our country for not a lot of money. I mean, they looked at it, I guess, as a long term investment. But I found that to be fairly despicable to the point where it was fairly shitbaggy. Episode 16.
00:36:36:27 – 00:36:53:03
Seth
Let’s talk for a minute about Nickolas Sharp and he deserves some mention because he’s probably the closest in terms of his professional career to kind of what you and I do. Right. So He’s a highly paid senior software engineer. I am not a highly paid senior software engineer, but I work with highly paid senior.
00:36:53:03 – 00:36:57:28
Keith
So we know we know what he made. He made $250,000 a year, right?
00:36:57:28 – 00:37:13:26
Seth
So he made a quarter million dollars a year, puts him in the top 1% of the country. He was also a cloud infrastructure security expert. So I work with people are in those roles and you got to be really, really smart and really, really clever to be able to add value to your company. And he was. And he did.
00:37:13:28 – 00:37:36:12
Seth
But he was disgruntled. We find out why later. He claims that he got a personal promise from his CEO that he’d be entitled to, you know, kind of do the protection he needed. And then, of course, the business gets in the way and was handcuffed. He was very upset. So he exploited his company’s security controls and downloaded over 150 source code repositories, 150 and that was stymied.
00:37:36:12 – 00:37:58:02
Seth
He actually tried to do more. His VPN cut out. He then ransoms his own company, and then he published those repositories after not receiving the ransom. So he actually pulled it out. He did it, and he ended up costing this company over 4 billion with a B in loss of value and my immediate response was, think of all the employees, right?
00:37:58:02 – 00:38:20:28
Seth
Who had stock in 401k funds invested in the company who got shafted here and he claims he was misguided temporarily, by the way, when he thought running a quote, unsanctioned drill to show his CEO what kind of security defenses were truly needed and all the above about feeling bad or trying to make a point flies in the face of the facts.
00:38:21:01 – 00:38:43:15
Seth
The fact that he used a VPN, the fact that he lied about using the VPN, the fact that he actually made a false media, a whistleblower assertion to Krebs, the fact that there was a ransom and that he actually published the stolen data flies in the face of any of that, you know, temporary or that he was misguided. He’s a shitbag.
00:38:43:18 – 00:39:00:10
Keith
And something that Seth didn’t say that we did talk about earlier. For a while, Ubiquiti did not know he was involved, so he was next to all his buddies investigating himself without them knowing it was him. Which makes it even more shitbaggy.
00:39:00:12 – 00:39:01:12
Seth
Yeah.
00:39:01:15 – 00:39:34:08
Keith
For sure. So our last episode, episode 19, we had Jason Leidel and Sarah Sorg, who’s cyber stalked Jason Leidel’s ex-wife. And it’s tough. I mean, I think about this a lot. To me, Leidel and Ilg are on the same playing field with each other, and depending on how you measure their evilness, one kind of edges out over another.
00:39:34:10 – 00:40:00:04
Keith
Jason wasn’t as violent sounding like he fucked with his ex-wife hard. He got arrested, he got her. Like job interviews, went away because of stuff that he did. So he screwed with her employment, but he didn’t physically hurt her that we know of. He didn’t try to get a hit man to beat her up or anything like that.
00:40:00:04 – 00:40:21:29
Keith
Like they hit the Ilg did. So, you know, you would say that you know, Jason’s side of the house, maybe not as violent, but it was actual she actually went to to jail Doctor. Ilg, on the other hand, very violent, but it didn’t actually go through. So. Yeah.
00:40:22:01 – 00:40:44:18
Seth
Yeah. What what I found interesting was interesting Jones is for Leidel, he had, I mean, almost oppressively, so had zero respect for any kind of authority. Police officer going to go after that guy, a judge. You’re next. I mean, it’s really kind of crazy, which makes him really at a sociopathic level.
00:40:44:21 – 00:41:18:01
Keith
But yeah, his laundry list is huge. I mean, it’s his laundry list was huge. It started back in his academic days where he was doing something dishonest. And then they caught him and then he did something dishonest in that meeting. And then he goes, Oh, I’m just going to leave the university. No worries. And then he went to another university, did some dishonest shit again, has some issue, and then, you know, had issues with his ex wife and then once issues with his ex-wife went into the legal realm and police officers were involved.
00:41:18:03 – 00:41:24:00
Keith
He starts to have an issues with the police officers and then he starts having issues with judges. And it’s just
00:41:24:00 – 00:41:31:23
Keith
it’s an amazing shit storm of just just schemes and craziness.
00:41:31:23 – 00:41:49:03
Seth
So, Jones, I actually tried to do a recap of the duo. And when I say, you know, most of it was Jason Leidel, but we learned that Sarah Sorg, his girlfriend, was equally awful. I try to create a quick list of all the crazy shit that they did, and I’m pretty sure I missed a few, but let’s recap.
00:41:49:03 – 00:42:13:29
Seth
It is the recap episode. He created a fake affair between a person his ex wife knew and his ex wife. Using his ex-wife’s email account. He got her credentials cleverly from shared utility accounts. That was him. He contacted his ex-wife’s potential employer, a school, claiming that she is inappropriate to hire given her sexual exploits directly resulting in her ex wife not getting the job.
00:42:14:07 – 00:42:43:03
Seth
He specifically mentioned that she had an affair, got pregnant, aborted the child, abuse drugs and neglected her children. He created and spoofed or falsified emails regarding the affair, including things like drug use and overdoses and suicidal tendencies. And by the way, there were some truly awful and horrific racist and incendiary comments in that spoofed item. And as an aside, he also did spoof or manipulate.
00:42:43:03 – 00:43:09:09
Seth
I’m sure I got this later her her her very confidential, possibly classified military medical records to supplement his claims that she was a drug abuser and things like that. He harassed his ex-wife’s new husband. And get this, he’s not just some schmo. He’s a high ranking retired Marine. And he claimed that is that that he was having an affair to another colonel.
00:43:09:16 – 00:43:38:02
Seth
That was working with the ex-husband sorry, the new husband, rather, via spoofed email. He’s kind of like a sociopath. With this spoofed email scenario. He made false statements to the Child Protective Services CPS regarding his ex-wife, which we said earlier, is equal or maybe worse to swatting, which means that has to be investigated right. Once children get involved and the safety and well-being of children, CPS has to take a look, whether it’s bullshit or not, which is really, really a scary thing.
00:43:38:02 – 00:43:44:04
Seth
I’m going to pause because I’ve got to catch my breath There’s just so much here. So, Jones, why don’t you jump on these next few?
00:43:44:07 – 00:44:31:16
Keith
So he spoofed emails purportedly from the ex-wife and submitted to the court. So there’s fraud on the court there for the custody purposes of his two minor children. It worked there. This these schemes that we’re telling you about, they’re not they worked. She was thrown in jail. She lost custody of the kids because he did things like this. He then and oh, God, this one, he forged his ex-wife’s military medical record, which means he had to physically go in there, get the medical records, scan it, send it to his personal email address, and then add information to it like she’s suicidal and on drugs and all this other shit that you wouldn’t want to see a
00:44:31:16 – 00:45:05:15
Keith
mother have on her medical record to help him out at his custody hearing. Right. He falsified. So it’s not spoofed because it’s paper record, but he falsified a paper extortion letter and mailed it to his new girlfriend, who’s Sarah Sorg, who’s now in on the scheme to harass the ex-wife. So this is all false. It’s pretend they send this extortion letter to Sarah Sorg, pretending it came from the ex-wife.
00:45:05:17 – 00:45:38:25
Keith
And this got the ex-wife arrested. And you would go, God, that must been an awful night in jail. No, mother fucker. She was there for four days. Four days because of this. So it was like they falsify this thing. She gets thrown in jail. She’s in there four days. There’s a protective order that is granted because she’s not in court to defend herself because she’s in fucking jail because of this false extortion letter.
00:45:38:25 – 00:46:17:10
Keith
It’s just mind blowing. This extortion letter. Sarah Sorg, his lawyer, new girlfriend, used it. She pushed it with the Maryland police. She also pushed it with the Virginia police. She wrote, I’m sorry. Switch gears on ya a little bit here. Leidel, you would say, my God, this guy is just a tornado of just being an asshole. But he went to his friend’s house and started spoofing emails from, his friend’s house.
00:46:17:10 – 00:46:45:19
Keith
So think about this. His friend’s IP address is going to show up as the source to this stuff, but he started spoofing emails to police officers that he has issues with in his his cases, but it makes it look like it came from his friend’s house. So his poor friend gets dragged into this investigation. So right there there’s another asshole mark against Leidel.
00:46:45:22 – 00:47:19:26
Keith
Then in these spoofed emails, it’s police officers purportedly talking to other police officers and saying incredibly racist stuff and about how they they hid evidence in cases and just all sorts of shit that you would do it. I don’t even how to categorize it. Seth. You wouldn’t even hear it on movies. It’s like, yeah, good thing we I faked all that evidence that says that your your ex-husband did all this shit like in emails, in these spoofed emails.
00:47:19:26 – 00:47:54:17
Keith
It’s just you read this and you go, there’s no way a real person wrote this. This has to be spoofed. And it was. It was spoofed by Jason Leidel. There was also destruction of evidence, oh I should mention there was also impersonation of not just police officers, but there were also judges and state’s attorney’s involved. It went all the way up the chain to the highest levels of government to, I believe there was a council member, even CC’d on one of them, but destruction of evidence.
00:47:54:17 – 00:48:24:04
Keith
So Jason and Sarah Sorg both destroyed evidence, her a little less than him. He really destroyed evidence. He had a laptop that he turned back into one of the government or military organizations that he got it from. And it wasn’t just altered. It was a brand new operating system on this laptop that was completely different, unauthorized. And you go, wow, how did he get away with that?
00:48:24:04 – 00:48:46:01
Keith
That’s crazy. Well, investigators open the laptop lid and guess whose name was in the log in his fucking ex-wife on his supposed work laptop, which should never happen. Never happen. Because you look at that from an investigator, you go, Well, his ex-wife didn’t have physical access to it. So that kind of shows Jason was setting her up.
00:48:46:01 – 00:48:47:06
Keith
You want to finish this off for us?
00:48:47:06 – 00:49:16:02
Seth
Yeah. I mean, I’m just trying to take in all of it. The last few harassment, right? He Spoofed naturally to the PTA. The PTA? About a domestic violence case against his ex-wife. He hacked and spoofed messages through the court mandated messaging account. I mean, that’s crazy, because that’s really more about his children. So I ask you, Dr. Jones, who wins season one’s most coveted prize?
00:49:16:04 – 00:49:28:11
Seth
Is it a tie? Is it Dr. Ilg? Is it doctor? Is it doctor, Is it Jason Liddell? Is there a Darkhorse candidate? What do you think? I have my I think I have a clear winner in my head, but I’m curious if it’s the same person.
00:49:28:13 – 00:49:52:06
Keith
For me, it depends on how you measure it. And I thought about this a lot. There’s it’s a tie. Generally, it’s a tie in my mind between Dr. Ilg and Jason Leidel, Sarah Sorg wasn’t as guilty as it wasn’t as involved in the schemes as Leidel. So I kind of put her to the side. So I leave it between Ilg and Leidel.
00:49:52:08 – 00:50:23:01
Keith
Now, if you talk about heinous physical violence, Dr. Ilg is going to run it because Dr. Ilg is going to win that one because Leidel kind of didn’t really get into beating his ex-wife or anything like or drugging her or kidnapping her or anything else that we saw that Dr. Ilg. So when I measure with that, I go, Oh, Dr. Ilg, he definitely wins.
00:50:23:04 – 00:50:43:27
Keith
But then I go for who actually got away with it and just never seemed to stop. Leidel just kept going and going and it was like he would just harass his ex-wife. And you go, Oh, leave the poor woman alone. Oh, thank God the police are involved. Oh, my God. He’s harassing the police now, too. Oh, thank God there’s a judge involved.
00:50:43:28 – 00:51:05:09
Keith
Oh, my God. He’s harassing a judge now, too. Oh thank God you know it just every person that crossed this guy, he would harass them. And it wasn’t physical, but it was enough that just gave him the asshole standing. So for me, it depends on how you measure it. How Jason Leidel got away with a lot of shit.
00:51:05:09 – 00:51:09:17
Keith
He got away with a lot of shit. It was just very, very heinous.
00:51:09:20 – 00:51:30:06
Seth
I look at it as what was the actual impact of the victim. So for Dr. Ilg, his wife didn’t really have anything bad happened to her other than having to be married to him, but from his shenanigans, because none of it actually was realized. So I think his propensity for evil was certainly there, but it wasn’t actually carried out.
00:51:30:09 – 00:51:55:24
Seth
Leidel’s ex-wife bore the brunt of this, and it did happen to her. She was extorted. That’s not really accurate. She wasn’t extorted. She lost custody of her children temporarily. She was jailed for four days. She lost a job over it. I’m sure she incurred a ton of, you know, the the alleged affair and social media and her ex, her new husband and his job was in jeopardy or whatever he was doing.
00:51:56:00 – 00:52:14:08
Seth
I mean it all. He Leidel was relentless, almost impressively so. So given if you looking at it from which I think is the right way to look at it, what was the impact to the victim? It’s got to be Leidel I mean, and, you know, I’m going to throw Sarah Sorg in there because she either knew was happening or let it happen or was contributing to it happening.
00:52:14:11 – 00:52:21:08
Seth
So I think it’s Leidel and more I think about it, the more I’m confident in that answer.
00:52:21:10 – 00:52:59:26
Keith
Yeah, and they both men would not stop. It was like you threw somebody as a roadblock, like the police officers in Leidel’s way. He starts spoofing them and Ilg it was like he didn’t stop. You know, it was if I remember correctly, Seth, it’s not if I’m wrong on the follow up that we did on Ilg, he was still pushing, trying to get people trying to get the women in his life to say and do things on the Internet to make it look like his ex-wife was still up to shit, even though he’s still in prison.
00:52:59:28 – 00:53:13:13
Keith
So both of these people that we talk about, they just never stopped. They never went, Oh, I’m in jail now. I really better quit this out and just serve my time and get the hell out of here, because Ilg apparently is still doing stuff.
00:53:13:16 – 00:53:33:13
Seth
Yeah. So there you have it. That is our biggest shitbag and our season one recap, which was a long episode. We may want to split this 1 to 2, but I do want to make sure I thank Dr. Jones for including me in his shenanigans here, and I certainly learned a lot. And more importantly, I had a lot of fun.
00:53:33:15 – 00:53:43:06
Seth
And I hope that our viewers and listeners, you know, enjoyed it. We are excited for season two and thank you for being on the ride with us.
00:53:43:08 – 00:54:02:22
Keith
Definitely. And just because we’re finishing the season one, don’t think we’re going to have a big pause in here and you’re going have to come back in months. We’ve got I just looked today and I’ve got at least four or five cases already on deck for season two and we’re just going to get right into them. There’s not going to be a pause and they’re going to be as crazy as this.
00:54:02:22 – 00:54:20:15
Keith
And again, please tell us what you like and what you don’t like and we’ll try to pick cases that are more interesting. I try to pick something. I try to put something humorous in every one of them. I try to find a case that has some humorous aspect to them. That’s really the only commonality other than the electronic crime portion.
00:54:20:17 – 00:54:41:14
Keith
And with that, to get a hold of us, you want to go to our web site, it’s e c r i m e b y as in yellow milk t e s dot com. So it’s eCrimeBytes spelled the computer way dot com and if you’re on your phone, there’s a three lines up there on the corner. Click on that.
00:54:41:14 – 00:54:59:06
Keith
You’re going to have all our social media dropdowns. If you’re on a desktop, it should already be across the top and you select from there and interact with us. Go check out our videos. If you only listen to this on audio or go check out our videos and stuff because we put pictures of people up in the court documents and things like that.
00:54:59:08 – 00:55:14:12
Keith
And I think that’s it. That’s all I have to say for season one. I only have one thing left, Seth, and I’m going to take us out with fucking light it, because that’s one of my favorite clips. Anything else to say, Seth?
00:55:14:14 – 00:55:17:27
Seth
No, I think we said it all. Let’s finish it with that.
00:55:18:00 – 00:55:21:19
Keith
All right. We’ll leave you with Pat the bat and we’ll see in season two.
00:55:21:21 – 00:55:35:02
Pat The Bat
Start light it light light it. You can light it fucking pick it
00:55:35:02 – 00:55:38:25
Pat The Bat
up. Free
00:55:38:27 – 00:55:42:06
Keith
Oh, pick it up. All right. See you guys later.
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