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Hacking With Sebastien Raoult From ShinyHunters – Act 2: The Pokey

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Join me to hear about how three Frenchmen from the ShinyHunters hacking group hacked over 60 companies to take home some “good booty”. This is eCrimeBytes Season 3 Episode 3 – Hacking With Sebastien Raoult From ShinyHunters – Act 2: The Pokey.

The prior act can be found here:

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Transcript:

00:00:10:00 – 00:00:34:36
Keith
What’s up, you crazy bastards! Welcome back to this week’s episode of eCrimeBytes. This is where I research the court documentation and roast the criminal so you don’t have to. So this week I’m bringing you season three. Episode three. This is a hacking group called ShinyHunters. And there’s one individual that got caught and face to faced law enforcement.

00:00:34:40 – 00:00:56:20
Keith
You’re jumping in, in act two, where I’m going to talk about this individual named Sebastien Raoult and this act I’m calling it the Pokey, and I’ll let you figure out why it’s called the pokey. If you’re from the U.S. and, you know some prison slang, you can kind of put it together. Right. So let me give you a little bit of a tour in case you don’t want to go back and watch Act One.

00:00:56:20 – 00:01:16:15
Keith
I do recommend you go back and watch Act One. And if you’re on YouTube, I’m going to put a link up here like always so you can go back and hit the playlist and see the whole episode from the beginning. So what I presented to you in Act one was there is this hacking group. They’re called ShinyHunters.

00:01:16:20 – 00:01:40:48
Keith
We know at least three individuals. They’re all French, they’re all men. They all well, the one of them is 20 years old, and it sounded like the other two are pretty young as well. And what they would do is they would target technical people in well-known companies so they would target IT people or system administrators and they would send phishing emails to them.

00:01:40:48 – 00:01:57:59
Keith
And if you don’t know what phishing is this is a good reason why you need to go back, watch volume one or act one because I gave you some graphs in there and I showed you exactly what a phishing exercise was. So what they would do is they would phish the victim, which would get them a username and password at this well-known website.

00:01:58:12 – 00:02:22:07
Keith
This, you know, whatever it was the victim was accessing. Like for instance, GitHub dot com, they would get that usernames, username and password so they would use it and then have access to whatever that user had access to. And since they were I.T. or system administrator, it was typically some kind of company resource that they then broke into using that method.

00:02:22:12 – 00:02:50:29
Keith
So when they did that, they would do a number of things. They would sometimes deface it just to say, Hey, we have this site. Other times they would steal personally identifiable information from their victims and then try to sell it to make money. Other times they would try to bribe the victim directly and try to make money. They made 425,000, I believe it was either one or a series of ransom attempts.

00:02:50:34 – 00:03:13:22
Keith
So you can see here that they had a whole process to their organized crime ring that they had going on between the three of them. So government knows this. They did their investigation and now you’re jumping in and Act two of this episode I’m going to show you now, which is where the investigation started with an indictment on June 23rd of 2021.

00:03:13:27 – 00:03:40:34
Keith
And the government says we’re going to charge you with nine counts. Okay. Count number one is conspiracy to commit computer fraud and abuse, which is probably the big one here, which is, hey, you broke into computers. The second one is conspiracy to commit wire fraud. So both of those are hey, you did this as a group. These bad things are breaking in the computers and this wire fraud and then counts three through six are actual wire fraud and counts seven through nine are aggravated identity theft.

00:03:40:34 – 00:04:04:10
Keith
And you can imagine this is these are the stolen logins that they got through phishing. So that’s aggravated identity theft when you come down to the legal end of things. Now, this is beautiful because I was doing my usual research. I got to tell you, you go I go through so many documents, hundreds of documents, and each document is well over ten pages.

00:04:04:10 – 00:04:11:49
Keith
And you got to read it, figure out what’s important in it. Rarely are they funny. So when I see something funny, I got to show you.

00:04:11:49 – 00:04:21:50
Keith
Okay, so here I got on your screen right now. This is a snippet out of one of the court documents. This is, you know, United States for the plaintiff versus the three gentlemen I told you about.

00:04:21:55 – 00:04:51:57
Keith
But here this was filed by the clerk and the clerk’s name was William M McCool. So fucking Bill McCool got to got to file this indictment. I did the research and I thought, my God, some people I know Keith Jones, that’s not a bad name, but Bill McCool… Some people get all the luck all the luck when they get named.

00:04:52:02 – 00:04:57:08
Keith
It immediately made me think of McLovin. But McCool. I mean, this is a real person named McCool. It’s

00:04:57:08 – 00:05:26:49
Keith
awesome. So the government indicts them. And in the indictment, the government is also asking for $6 million in restitution. Now, the $6 million, isn’t necessarily $6 million that they stole. It’s a combination of things. It may be money that they stole, but it’s also money that the victims had to shell out to cover or deal with the attacks that happened.

00:05:26:49 – 00:05:53:51
Keith
So you can imagine, you know, a company A gets broken into and they go, shit, we better hire some attorneys. We better hire a computer security group to come in here and help us out. So they’ve got expenses related to this attack. And those things are those expenses are typically what are wrapped up into restitutions like this, like the $6 million figure that the government is looking for.

00:05:53:56 – 00:06:22:31
Keith
Now, a tidbit I was doing the research in here and I thought, hey, you got three Frenchmen there breaking into American companies. I imagine France is like, we will send our people to you no worry, but they didn’t. France will not extradite its own citizens. So even though France knew or had evidence from the United States that these individuals were breaking in, they didn’t extradite them, but they did interview them.

00:06:22:31 – 00:06:45:10
Keith
So there was a lot of information in the indictment and the court paperwork that came from interviews of the other two individuals that are still in France that said, hey, Sebastien did this, and Sebastien did that, I did this and he did that. That’s how we know it was because those conversations happened through law enforcement in France. It’s just they didn’t get arrested.

00:06:45:10 – 00:07:11:55
Keith
They didn’t it shipped off to the United States. Sebastien, he was a different story because Sebastien, in May of 2022, was in Morocco, which is a different country than France. And Morocco will send people back to United States if the United States asks nicely enough and apparently the United States asked nicely enough because Morocco was like hold on a second, they grabbed Sebastien, they put him in a prison and they hung on to him.

00:07:12:00 – 00:07:39:57
Keith
So now Sebastien’s in a Moroccan prison. He fought extradition to the United States for eight months. So imagine being in any prison. The United States or otherwise, for eight months, fighting, being sent from Morocco to United States. Now in this time, apparently, he smuggled a message out and wrote a message or something, but a letter came out from him and it was all in French.

00:07:39:57 – 00:08:04:30
Keith
So I’m not going to read it to you. But there’s this kind of translation that, again, would be very hard for me to read to you, that I’m just going to give you some highlights that he talks about his very, very inhumane treatment while he was in a Moroccan prison. And he said it was so inhumane that he ate off of plates on the floor and he also pooped into holes that were in the floor.

00:08:04:35 – 00:08:31:32
Keith
And I thought, what a fucking odd game of prison corn hole. What is this where you’re pooping in to holes? Now, I don’t do a lot of international travel, and I do hear that other countries have different shaped or maybe even missing toilets, and they just have a hole in the floor. From what I read in the court paperwork, this is kind of normal from for Moroccan prisons where that’s how they use bathrooms.

00:08:31:32 – 00:09:04:31
Keith
And I guess for eating, that’s kind of normal in at least prison life there. That’s what I read in the court documentation. If you want to look at the other side of that argument. But yeah, what an odd game of prison cornhole. So there’s some evidence and they have a bunch of evidence against Sebastien because when they arrest him, he has things on him like computers and cell phones and all the stuff you’d expect a hacker to have on him.

00:09:04:35 – 00:09:48:47
Keith
So there’s other evidence when they did investigations that the real victim websites involved here, remember there are real victim companies involved, and there were times when Sebastien would connect to the victim websites and have test accounts on those victim websites because he’s making these phishing websites look a lot like those victim websites. So he would need a normal account on there to make, you know, to get to get in there to see what it looks like in order to make his phishing website look a lot like that, because he’s, you know, doctoring this other thing up to look like this other compromised site.

00:09:48:51 – 00:10:16:34
Keith
Because of this, he has these real accounts. They have his IP address and they have his username and his username is Sezyokzn all one handle there or one word. And they would see him logging in prior to these phishing deployments. So that was one point of evidence that law enforcement had. They had his IP address logging in to breached victim accounts.

00:10:16:34 – 00:10:46:41
Keith
So once he would break in and get some sysadmin’s username and password to get into their GitHub or, you know, cloud account, he would connect and that would leave his IP address and they would see it in there as well. He was caught with these lists of credentials, usernames, passwords, other information of real people to connect to important systems like this.

00:10:46:46 – 00:11:15:03
Keith
One of his coconspirators when they did the like law enforcement interview in France, one of his coconspirators said, hey, Sebastien actually tried to launder some money from us and he got fucking ripped off. And they at least attributed $12,000 to one time when Sebastien gave I guess it was like a website or another group money in cryptocurrency in order to get it laundered.

00:11:15:03 – 00:11:40:54
Keith
So it looked like it was clean coming out the other side. And I guess this group just took the money and left. So his coconspirators said, Hey, Sebastien, even he lost money for our group. And parallel to all this, Sebastien is also caught selling some of the hacking tools that he wrote to others for 2 to $3000 at a time.

00:11:40:54 – 00:11:50:59
Keith
So he was making money every which way that he can. So there’s this email that I thought was interesting, and this was highlighted in the court documents. You’ll see why here in a second.

00:11:50:59 – 00:12:05:35
Keith
I’m going to put it on your screen. He says. So this is Sebastien talking to somebody else on Telegram, and he says, I was selling this script or this hacking tool for £5,000.

00:12:05:48 – 00:12:27:17
Keith
I believe that’s a pound sign. I apologize. I messed it up. I think that could be a different note. I don’t think that’s a pound sign. I don’t know what sign that is, but it’s 5000 something. So I sold maybe a dozen. So meaning he sold maybe a dozen copies of his program and he goes and says, and then I focused on cashing out Bitcoin.

00:12:27:22 – 00:12:47:12
Keith
I stopped selling stuff. So he stops with that message. A little while later, he says to his friend and I leaked my stuff when I had too much money, meaning he sold so much shit and made so much money. He just didn’t he didn’t need anymore. So he just took his hacker tools and put them online for free for anybody who want to use them.

00:12:49:23 – 00:13:01:55
Keith
So another little exchange between him and his friends, this is where he was very clear. He wasn’t hacking for anything other than money. Really the exchange.

00:13:01:55 – 00:13:15:29
Keith
And we only have one side of him saying all this. He says, I could say my goal is to be a millionaire before I turned 20, but it’s all well and good to say that. I don’t have any references except for Shiny Hunter.

00:13:15:34 – 00:13:38:00
Keith
Anyway, I want to hack and vulgar, so I’m gonna just say he probably said shit. Or I guess if he’s really, really a party wild man, maybe he said fuck. So he says, Anyway, I want to hack and shit. And then he ends it with I’m going to resell databases to Indians on the darknet. And I went, Hold up, hold up.

00:13:38:05 – 00:13:51:19
Keith
Why are you picking on the Indians, man? What did they do to you? I don’t know why. Particularly, he wants to sell his hacked data to the Indians. But he was very, very specific that he’s going to resell his databases to the Indians on the

00:13:51:19 – 00:14:01:03
Keith
Darknet. Okay, So you can imagine he’s arrested. He fought extradition. Finally, Morocco was like, We can handle this fucker.

00:14:01:03 – 00:14:22:41
Keith
He doesn’t like pooping in holes anymore. You take him. United States finally has him. And then there’s this whole… if you’re not familiar with the United States legal process, it’s very lengthy. So there’s motions and they go back and forth and he’s detained because he’s not a United States citizen. So he has a lot of reason not to want to stay in the United States.

00:14:22:46 – 00:14:41:35
Keith
He would want to flee. So he’s detained. And in this time, he keeps going to the court and says, my parents have come over from France. I’d really like to spend time with them. When they’re here and I’m in prison, they only let me see them for a few hours. It really sucks. Listen, listen, listen. I’ve got a deal for you.

00:14:41:40 – 00:15:01:59
Keith
How about you put a monitoring thing on my ankle and you let me hang out with my parents for five nights in a hotel? You can monitor me. Put it on my ankle. I will stay in the hotel. All I want to do is hang out with my parents. I really, really need my parents counseling. And I also need to prepare for my trial.

00:15:02:03 – 00:15:23:41
Keith
And the government says, Are you fucking kidding me? A Frenchman saying you want to let me out of prison and be with your parents? Your parents for five nights? Fuck, no. There’s no way you’re going to be. You’re going to be on the first flight to France. We you’ll you’ll cut that ankle monitor and be gone. There’s no way we will

00:15:23:41 – 00:15:43:53
Keith
know you’ll take off. And the court looked at the arguments and said, yeah, yeah, we have a feeling you probably take off, too. You’re going to stay in prison. So for a lot of the time he was in prison, this was the argument was about five days with his parents was just going back and forth. And it wasn’t just one time.

00:15:43:57 – 00:15:59:48
Keith
It was like he asked for it once and then the court denied it. He come back and he was like, I know you said I couldn’t, but listen, listen, this is really, really important to me. Let’s start this process all over again and read a bunch of big, lengthy documents of why I need spend time with my parents for five nights.

00:15:59:53 – 00:16:21:38
Keith
And then the government had to, you know, respond. And then finally the court came back and was like, Fucker, I told you, I told you, you cannot spend any time with your parents outside of prison. Just have them come visit you and good luck in your trial. And that’s how it ended. So then in September 27th of 2023, Sebastien was probably like, all right, I’ve had it fine.

00:16:21:38 – 00:16:56:41
Keith
I’m guilty, but I’m not guilty of everything. This is pretty typical, he says. I’m guilty of only count two, which is conspiracy to commit wire fraud, which I’m not an attorney, I would suspect is probably lower crime wise than the computer fraud. I think computer fraud is probably looked at as a bigger crime. And he also says I’m guilty of eight, which was the aggravated ID theft, which is one of the login usernames and passwords that he stole in there.

00:16:56:41 – 00:17:13:53
Keith
He also says, hey, listen, I know you talked to those fuckers over in France that you still haven’t caught. I got some shit to say about them. They’re they’re not good people either. They, they you haven’t caught them and they have a lot of reason to lie. Everything they said about me, that that was a lie. And guess what?

00:17:13:58 – 00:17:38:28
Keith
They’re also they’re also part of this group and they did all this other shit. So he basically rolled on all of them too, because he was in prison. And I think it was in his best interest to say this wasn’t all just me. Okay, so sentencing rolls around and in this process you have the government. They’ll ask for X amount of years and then the defense will ask for x amount of years.

00:17:38:28 – 00:18:03:40
Keith
And then the court’s got to decide. So the government comes in and they say, hey, we want 72 months in prison because this is a pretty big deal you did. And when he gets out, we want to make sure you’re watching him for three years. Not only that, we want $5 million in restitution. So I don’t know if they gave him a discount and knocked off a million because they said it was $6 million in damages earlier.

00:18:03:45 – 00:18:34:08
Keith
But they’re saying about $5 million at the end of the day. So that was what the government wanted. That was 72 months. The defense comes back and they said, hey, we’d like 25 months, specifically 24 months on count eight and one month on count two. Three years of supervised release. We agree with you government on that part. And then just page upon page upon page upon page of family letters saying what a great person Sebastien is.

00:18:34:13 – 00:19:00:16
Keith
And apparently he had a really hard life. He had some family members that had health problems, like his mother, I think, had a cancer diagnosis at one point. His father, I believe, also had a cancer diagnosis. He had a brother that was shot in a terrorism incident in public. It just like most of this was his family talking about what a bad upbringing Sebastien came from.

00:19:00:21 – 00:19:20:11
Keith
But what I wanted to read to you was what Sebastien had to say because he had something to say to the judge and to the court. And I’m going to read you exactly how it was written verbatim. And I apologize if I stumble a little bit. Now, this was written in French and then translated, so bear with me a little bit.

00:19:20:15 – 00:19:49:43
Keith
It says, Dear Judge Lasnik, my name is Sebastien Raoult. I was born the February 2nd, 2001 in France. I hope this letter may help you get a better understanding of myself. I grew up with my lovely family of two parents and two older brothers, both 31 and 33 years old Monday, in the Varges in Varges, I’m not sure mountains in France, where I have also received public education from elementary school to high school.

00:19:49:48 – 00:20:04:48
Keith
I am a computer enthusiast since I was a teenager. It came first by playing video games and then more when I started to learn computer programing from home with friends of mine over the Internet, it quickly became a passion. So after I graduated

00:20:04:48 – 00:20:16:46
Keith
high school in 2019, I decided to join Epitech, a computer science university. I was doing good so far until the COVID 19 pandemic.

00:20:16:51 – 00:20:42:17
Keith
We had to stay home, and I failed to keep up with school while being locked down. This was I’m sorry. This is when happened my crime. Again, I’m reading this verbatim. He says, This is what happened my crime. I think I was trying to evade depression during these troubled times. So I was going into computer hacking, but I didn’t realize at that time I was causing harm.

00:20:42:17 – 00:21:14:46
Keith
And how bad was the impact of my acts. I should have known better than to commit a crime and I should have used my skills to help and benefit society instead of hurting it. I really regret and I’m sorry, especially to the victims, company employees and customers. During my almost 20 months of incarceration, I had the time to think about the consequences of my crime, including the position I put my family at, exposing them to the stress and anxiety, which is really bad, especially after all the traumas we already been through. To them,

00:21:14:46 – 00:21:15:55
Keith
I must also

00:21:15:55 – 00:21:49:12
Keith
apologize. The first eight months were inhumane conditions whole. I think he meant while I was waiting for extradition. But since I got the FDC SeaTac I’m sorry, it says. But since I got in the FDC SeaTac which is I think, a Washington federal detention center, it says I’ve been able to use my time to grow up, develop my mind and body in a healthy way, to finally put my childish mistakes behind me and grow as a better person for the future.

00:21:49:17 – 00:22:12:47
Keith
I realize that prison is the last place on earth I want to spend the rest of my life so I shall no more commit crime again, or I may come back and disrespect my loved ones again. Time is the most precious thing we have, so I should use it better than getting in trouble and putting myself in prison, especially in these Christmas holidays when my family is going to miss me again.

00:22:12:51 – 00:22:14:25
Keith
I think I understand my mistakes

00:22:14:25 – 00:22:38:28
Keith
and their impact, and now that I accept the responsibility of it and had got the right conclusions, I’m already thinking about the future. I would like to restart a different college course in computer programing and I really wish using my experience to help prevent similar crimes to happen to companies. And if people if I would have been given more the opportunity Sorry, I’m reading this verbatim.

00:22:38:29 – 00:22:58:04
Keith
I think he’s just saying he’s just trying to he would try to help society. Then goes on to say, I consider myself really lucky and I that I have received a lot of support from my country and my family and that they’re ready to help me get a new start in society. There are legitimate there are legitimate ways out there to practice cybersecurity, such as bug

00:22:58:04 – 00:23:10:58
Keith
programs, which are professional activities consisting of reporting computer security flaws to enterprises and be rewarded accordingly to the terms of the programs submitted by those.

00:23:11:03 – 00:23:38:17
Keith
He’s meaning… You find a bug, you tell a company about it, they give you actual money for it. He goes on to say this shall keep me away from getting into some similar circumstances. Now that I know what are the consequences if I keep doing cybersecurity in unlegitimate ways, probably should be illegitimate. He goes on to say, I hope I’ve been able help you in your judgment and understanding through this letter.

00:23:38:22 – 00:23:45:54
Keith
Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely. Sincerely. Excuse me. Sincerely yours. Sebastien

00:23:46:10 – 00:23:52:19
Keith
Raoult. So Judge goes back, considers everything, comes back and says,

00:23:52:19 – 00:24:10:34
Keith
I’m giving you 36 months, specifically 12 months on count two and that’s going to be consecutive with 24 months and count eight. Now, I don’t usually see consecutive, so that’s why I’m highlighting it here. Usually it’s concurrently.

00:24:10:34 – 00:24:35:33
Keith
So for me this is abnormal to the cases that I research. And it says with credit for time served in Morocco pursuant to some U.S. law. And the court recommends that they recommended facilities on the East Coast and the court gives them three years of supervised release. Now I’m showing you this on your screen. I know audio listeners, you can’t see this, but I’m showing you this on your screen because the court fucking hand wrote this.

00:24:35:33 – 00:24:48:28
Keith
They don’t have typewriters or anything, apparently. Usually all this is typed. So it was really weird that somebody actually wrote in by hand the sentence here. This is pretty rare in my

00:24:48:28 – 00:25:03:53
Keith
research. Here is the restitution. I will show you that because they break it down from the different providers and the different victims and the sum of it is $1,000 for one victim.

00:25:03:57 – 00:25:17:57
Keith
Another one is $3 million. So it really depends on which victim and which provider you are and what chunk of restitution that you get. But when they add it up, it ends up being just over $5

00:25:17:57 – 00:25:43:54
Keith
million and they say, hey, fucker payment due immediately, immediately. You don’t get a payment plan on this $5 million pay upfront. And it says during this time he has to pay at least a quarter of his gross monthly income to pay this off. His inmate gross monthly income.

00:25:43:54 – 00:26:11:25
Keith
And I don’t know what inmates make, but I can’t imagine it’s going to come close to paying off even $1,000, probably let alone $5 million at the end of the day. Now, when he is released, monthly installments have to amount of no less than 10% of his defendant’s gross monthly income. So, yeah, he’s ranging right in there with a church that he’s going to have to pay in restitution.

00:26:11:30 – 00:26:22:07
Keith
And when I say church, if you’re not familiar that sometimes people will take 10% of their paycheck and just give it to their church here. He doesn’t have a choice. He’s going to give 10% of a check at a minimum and give it to the

00:26:22:07 – 00:26:30:15
Keith
government. Now, I’m done with this case here, which holy crap, right. I mean, there was a lot of hacking.

00:26:30:15 – 00:26:59:03
Keith
There’s $5 million involved. My first question is, is $5 million in restitution. How does that work out? How does that work out when a you’re an ex-con. Okay. So that is that is one strike against you. You got to make $5 million somehow as an ex con. B. You’re not an American citizen. That’s another strike against you. So that’s going to be another reason

00:26:59:04 – 00:27:18:47
Keith
It’s going to be difficult for you to get a job to pay off this $5 million. Now, here’s another logistical thing that I don’t have an answer for that I’m curious about. If you know, please put it in the comments. Do they keep him in the U.S. until he pays his $5 million? I don’t know how that works.

00:27:18:52 – 00:27:37:03
Keith
Do they say, hey, you’re supervised for three years, but hey, fucker, over the three years, you better pay that $5 million. We’re going to be watching you. And you cannot leave the United States in that time. Maybe that’s how it works. I don’t know. But if you look at what the court says, he has to be in prison.

00:27:37:07 – 00:27:58:18
Keith
So that’ll end in three month in three years. When he gets out, he has to be supervised for three years. So we know that happens. So I imagine that would happen in the United States. And then he has to pay back $5 million. So does he have to pay that back by the end of three years or does he get forced to stay in the United States after three years to pay back $5 million?

00:27:58:23 – 00:28:23:15
Keith
I don’t know. So that’s one final thought of this case. My second final thought is you only can catch criminals that are in your own country or countries that will extradite you to the United States. We know this because France said, hey, fuck off the United States when they asked for the two criminals of ShinyHunters, which surprised me.

00:28:23:15 – 00:28:42:47
Keith
I did not. I thought Frenchmen… I thought they were little. I thought they were a little nicer. I figured after all the wars, they were probably like, United States, here are the here are all the bad guys that you want. But instead they were like, fuck off, you cannot have your bad guys and you know, they stay at large in France now.

00:28:42:52 – 00:29:08:13
Keith
But Morocco, they had Sebastien, so they sent them over to the United States. So from a victim standpoint, and if your attacker is from a certain country like Russia or France or China, you’re not going to get them in a prison in the United States unless they mess up and go to a country like Morocco. And you happen to catch them like happened in this case.

00:29:08:18 – 00:29:30:26
Keith
Now, I thought three years for all the hacking shit was kind of light kind of light. And then they also allowed him to have time served in Morocco. And I don’t know if it was kind of light because he was in a Moroccan prison and that was tougher than the United States prison or what it was. They didn’t explain.

00:29:30:26 – 00:29:51:46
Keith
A lot of times these court documents, they don’t explain. They just tell you what it is. I mean, he had seven or in our in our last case that I brought you, there was $7 million to the IRS. Okay. With the tax fraud. In my last episode, people in there were looking at ten years plus for a prison term.

00:29:51:51 – 00:30:22:51
Keith
Here he’s looking at three years. So there seems to be a pretty big discrepancy. And I don’t know if it’s because he pled out to something that was really low and they couldn’t give him a high sentence or I don’t know what it is, but he did you know, in the last case, they were getting a decade for a sentence where they were looking at $7 million, known damage to the United States, to the United States, which IRS in an attempted $45 million over four years, got them that $10 million.

00:30:22:51 – 00:30:45:10
Keith
So we’re looking at $5 million in restitution here. Got him three years. So, yeah, that was my last, final thought was it didn’t really line up with the sentencing that we saw in the last case. And I don’t I don’t know why it is. Maybe because it was tax fraud related in our last case. So that’s the end of the case.

00:30:45:10 – 00:31:03:57
Keith
I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you appreciate the depth that I researched this and brought it to you. If you did, the biggest thing you can help me with is not no money. I’m not asking for any type of money. Just thumbs up, like, or do a subscribe, follow, whatever it is on your platform to watch me.

00:31:04:02 – 00:31:21:28
Keith
Give me a positive affirmation that puts this video in front of new people that haven’t seen it. And that helps me the most. And that’s the only thing I think I’ll ever ask of you. And I really appreciate it. And with that, that’s the administrative thing I have to get out of the way.

00:31:21:28 – 00:31:24:23
Keith
Next week. Next week is going to be a doozy.

00:31:24:24 – 00:31:51:38
Keith
When I saw this come across my radar and I’m going to put a teaser thumbnail on the screen for you. Now, I saw this case come across my radar. I thought it was a typo. It is cyber stalked by eBay. I was like, how the fuck does how does a company cyber stalk somebody? A company? And then it’s a company so well known that I think almost anybody, if you put the word eBay in front of them, will know who eBay is.

00:31:51:43 – 00:32:13:45
Keith
That a company as large as eBay gets wrapped up into cyberstalking. And this case is fucking amazing. And I almost I almost researched it early and put it in front of this case because it seemed so amazing. But there was so much research involved with it I couldn’t do it. I had to push it out one more episode. So next week, next week you’re going to hear about being cyber stalked about

00:32:13:45 – 00:32:14:35
Keith
eBay.

00:32:14:40 – 00:32:19:43
Keith
And it’s an unbelievable case. And I look forward to seeing you then. Thanks. Bye.

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