This is part 2. If you haven’t listened to part 1 first, you can find it here:
eCrimeBytes S 1 Ep 19 Pt 1: A Couple Who Cyberstalks Together, Faces Charges Together
Sit back and listen to a story where Jason Leidel and his new significant other, Sarah Sorg, allegedly stalked his ex-wife mercilessly. Why stop at his ex-wife? Wait until you see the group of people they allegedly called their victims.
Leidel and Sorg definitely give Dr. “ShitBag” Ronald Ilg (S 1 Ep 10 Pt 1 & S 1 Ep 10 Pt 2) a run for his money!
I first touched on this couple in:
Sources:
- https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/press-release/file/1545646/download
- https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/united-states-naval-officer-charged-federally-cyberstalking-aggravated-identity-theft-and
- https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65751313/united-states-v-leidel/
- https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65633222/united-states-v-leidel/
- https://thebaynet.com/u-s-naval-officer-charged-federally-with-cyberstalking-harassment-of-ex-wife/
Chapters:
0:00 Meet Sarah Sorg
4:27 Some Evidence
8:06 The Extortion Letter
18:50 Sarah Sorg Commits Fraud?
21:04 The Ex-Wife Is Arrested
24:19 Sorg And Leidel Win Protective Order
33:07 Leidel Sent The Letter?
35:24 Sarah Sorg’s Interview
38:01 Where Is The Extortion Letter?
39:02 The Burner Phones
41:25 Leidel Harasses The Cops
59:18 VPNs
1:02:50 Destruction Of Evidence
1:05:34 Leidel’s Work Laptop
1:18:01 That’s Still Frowned Upon Federally
1:19:29 The Counts
1:23:45 The Victims
1:25:48 Leidel’s Poor Friend
1:26:45 Well There Is One Thing We Know
1:27:14 Conclusions
1:33:48 Predictions?
1:37:42 Spoofed Juror Emails?
Transcript:
00:00:10:00 – 00:00:15:23
Keith
Hey, Hey. Welcome back to season one, episode 19
00:00:15:23 – 00:00:37:00
Keith
of eCrimeBytes, and this one’s called a couple who cyberstalks together faces charges together. And guess what? In part two, now we are meeting the other half of this couple. And when I say couple, I’m not talking about let me give you the ten cent tour just in case you’re jumping in.
00:00:37:02 – 00:01:07:28
Keith
On part one we met an individual named Jason Leidel who biggest shitbag, well, at least tied shit back wise with one other individual that we talked about, Dr. Shitbag Ronald Ilg. But Jason Leidel was an officer in the Navy, got married, then divorced. So the divorce happened. And we’re calling the ex-wife. We’re just saying ex-wife. That’s her name.
00:01:07:28 – 00:01:32:20
Keith
There is no, we’re not actually giving her a name in here because she isn’t in the court paperwork. He’s stalking her. And when I say stalking her, I mean fucking cyber stalking her. He is writing emails that look like it comes from her that says she wants to commit suicide, so it messes up the divorce proceedings and.
00:01:32:22 – 00:01:34:20
Seth
That she was a drug addict.
00:01:34:23 – 00:01:58:19
Keith
Yeah, she was a drug addict. So that way he could get custody of the two minor children. He’s worried she’s going to get his Navy retirement. So he’s basically doing all this kind of stuff to put her under his thumb as much as possible, to get as much out of the divorce as possible. And if I really can’t do it justice, you really, really need to go back and watch part one.
00:01:58:19 – 00:02:24:18
Keith
If you’re watching this on YouTube, I’ll put a link here now where you can actually click on it and go back to part one if you want to watch it. And it’s it’s amazing. It’s amazing. It took an hour just to describe what this one guy did to his poor ex-wife, and that’s that We’re not even really halfway there suspense wise, because now he meets a woman.
00:02:24:19 – 00:02:52:23
Keith
Her name is Sarah Elizabeth Sorg. She becomes his next significant other. So they’re dating. And eventually it sounds like, well, we do know that they move in together. She is a senior trial attorney for the US Department of Transportation. So we’re dealing with a couple here. You would expect more from a Navy officer, a senior trial attorney.
00:02:52:23 – 00:03:13:17
Keith
You know, I know attorneys have to go through the bar, which, So you’d expect something more something more from this couple and you’re going to see from this point forward, it’s just like they just go off the deep end from here. It is absolutely insane.
00:03:13:19 – 00:03:45:00
Keith
So since she’s a lawyer. She kind of becomes a tool in his cyber stalking scheme. He’s able to use her to do things in court and push his story in court a lot stronger than he was able to do leading up to this. You know, we showed you a bunch of spoofed emails and so forth. Well, she ratchets it up because with these emails, she can now do things in court with these emails.
00:03:45:00 – 00:03:51:03
Keith
And it’s amazing. And I would I’m going to go out on a limb and say she’s probably equal amount shitbag to Leidel.
00:03:51:03 – 00:03:57:10
Seth
L Yeah. So let’s flash forward now in part two.
00:03:57:10 – 00:03:58:02
Keith
Oh.
00:03:58:05 – 00:03:58:20
Seth
Oh wait.
00:03:58:20 – 00:04:04:24
Keith
Let me stop real quick and for our video viewers show you a picture of.
00:04:04:24 – 00:04:08:05
Seth
A picture of what SAS looks like. SES.
00:04:08:07 – 00:04:25:04
Keith
So this is Sarah Elizabeth Sorg and I Seth and I were debating where this picture came from. It came from a news article, but it looks like a driver’s license photo. It doesn’t look like a a mugshot yet. And later on, I’ll tell you why I kind of think this.
00:04:25:04 – 00:04:26:09
Keith
All right, Seth, go ahead.
00:04:26:14 – 00:04:56:19
Seth
All right. So we are moving in time now. We are now in early August of 2020 and a search warrant is issued at Leidel’s House. And keep in mind that now he’s cohabitating with Attorney Sorg. So what do they find? They find laptops, they find desktop computers, they find mobile devices and various types of storage media. So we learned that Sarah Sorg has access to Leidel’s accounts.
00:04:56:19 – 00:04:57:00
Seth
What do you got?
00:04:57:00 – 00:05:20:10
Keith
Dr. Jones Well, this is the interesting thing is when we talk about evidence and I like to look at these cases of what could the criminal have done to get away with this? This is one of those turning points where she could say she could maybe maybe say, I didn’t know what Jason was doing. We were just living together.
00:05:20:10 – 00:05:52:28
Keith
He was doing some crazy shit. Sorry about that. But she can’t because we see her saving and sending messages. Later on. The investigators find this, but we see her sending these messages that shows that she has access to Jason’s accounts while Jason is in custody. There’s a point where he violates an order and he’s in custody for a point.
00:05:53:01 – 00:06:22:21
Keith
And while he’s in there, she’s basically managing these accounts. So while we’re telling you about Sarah, if you’re feeling bad for her and you’re like, oh, well, maybe she just got suckered into this by Jason. No she has access to his account. She knows what’s going on. She’s just as culpable in this whole thing as he is. And to show you that for the viewers that are watching the video, I actually have a picture that we can put on your screen.
00:06:22:24 – 00:06:32:02
Keith
So this is, you know, for instance, one of the pictures that they have in the court documents that shows that Sarah sent it or that Sarah’s device
00:06:32:02 – 00:06:38:16
Keith
has access to Jason’s accounts. And they basically showed pictures right in the court documents of what this stuff looks like.
00:06:38:16 – 00:06:59:21
Seth
Yeah, some would say this is a smoking gun. Right. So what you have here is the that hook and mermaid Yahoo account, which you learned about, was used by Leidel often in various schemes to make his wife look awful. Ex-wife. We have a different one called Sean Fox, which was like an alias. And then another one, Nick Zibelli.
00:06:59:24 – 00:07:07:16
Seth
I’m not sure what that one’s about, what we’ll get to it, but definitely no plausible deniability here for Sarah Sorg.
00:07:07:19 – 00:07:30:27
Keith
Yeah, and I didn’t say it upfront, but Sarah has an email address because Sarah e Sorg at yahoo.com that’s where these images are found. Okay. So in her account, these pictures of all these accounts that we’ve been telling you about them in cyberstalking, his ex-wife and everything that’s in her email account, too.
00:07:31:00 – 00:07:37:22
Seth
It’s kind of weird. So why would she that why would you have a picture of your phone of different accounts that you have access to?
00:07:37:24 – 00:08:00:09
Keith
I know. Absolutely crazy. There’s And why would he send his ex-wife’s username and password to his DOD email account that we talked about part one. It’s like it’s insane what they do. And all this evidence is just shows at the end of the day that they were behind this. And it wasn’t the ex-wife doing all this stuff that we we’re talking about.
00:08:00:12 – 00:08:23:00
Keith
So let me get you back to us. So, all right. So there’s a big pivotal moment. And Seth, why don’t you walk us through this point? Because this this point is big in the ex-wife’s life and in Sarah Sorg’s life and of Jason Leidel’s life.
00:08:23:02 – 00:08:53:00
Seth
Sure. So at some point, Sarah claims to receive an extortion letter. And this is this is pivotal, right? So the court documents claim that she was extorted by Leidel’s ex-wife, specifically on September 20th of 2020. Sarah claims to have received an extortion letter in U.S. mail, which was made to appear as if it was sent by the ex-wife.
00:08:53:02 – 00:09:13:19
Seth
The extortion letter was postmarked from Richmond, Virginia, five days prior September 15th of 2020, and that letter attempted to extort Sarah for some random amount of $28,500 and threatened to harm Sarah. Sarah, apparently, who has her own minor children, and Mr. Jason Leidel. So what do you.
00:09:13:19 – 00:09:17:14
Keith
Think, Seth? We want to read this. It’s a pretty long letter, but.
00:09:17:16 – 00:09:21:29
Seth
I think we should read it because it gives a good example of what the fuck.
00:09:22:01 – 00:09:25:01
Keith
Yeah. All right. Why don’t you take the first paragraph? I’ll take the second one.
00:09:25:07 – 00:09:25:27
Seth
Yeah. All right.
00:09:25:27 – 00:09:43:29
Seth
So this is, I guess, ostensibly to Sarah Sorg. It just says Sarah Sorg. I bet you think that you are so I think there’s five O’s there, fucking smart. I would have my dog, that’s with capital MY, if it weren’t for your muddeling. Isn’t it a meddling? I don’t think muddeling is the right word.
00:09:44:06 – 00:10:02:06
Keith
If someone like me. Hey. Well, stop. Stop a second here, Seth. We know that. Jason. Also, if you didn’t see part one, Jason can’t spell for shit. So if you’re thinking maybe Jason sent this email, oh there’s a lot of misspellings in here. Hold on. We got more information coming for you, so continue.
00:10:02:06 – 00:10:23:20
Seth
Seth, I’m going to poke a little bit of fun at the consistent misspellings or poor use of grammar. If you don’t pay me 28,000 extra space, $500 by the end of September, I will focus my attention on you. Triple spaced. Imagine what will happen if I convince my friends on the force that you had a major role.
00:10:23:24 – 00:10:53:03
Seth
That’s “roll” in their investigation as t h e r e. I bet you get disbarred that she spelled right. Just pay me and this goes away. I hear h e r e your ex y o u r actually that’s correct is crazy. How would your retarded son and entitled daughter do, due, being raised by a crazy. I bet that would drive them over the edge, don’t you?
00:10:53:05 – 00:11:14:09
Seth
You’ll get your wish. No more urgent care, exclamation point ever again. Exclamation point. Do you think that you will ever see your kids again after being locked up? For now, you are a fancy lawyer. Have any of your clients ever gotten their t h e r e kids back after spending time in jail? I bet not. Neither will you, Jones.
00:11:14:09 – 00:11:17:05
Seth
You can take the other paragraph because this is fantastic.
00:11:17:07 – 00:11:36:15
Keith
This is just great. All right, Second paragraph starts with you and my asshole husband can share a jail cell. I hear h e r e orange is both your y o u r colors. Wait, your. Yes.
00:11:36:18 – 00:11:38:23
Seth
That is correct.
00:11:38:25 – 00:11:41:04
Keith
Well, there’s so many. It’s so, so tough. Yeah.
00:11:41:06 – 00:11:42:28
Seth
All right.
00:11:43:00 – 00:12:11:15
Keith
The next sentence says tell him to in all caps. Fuck off. He has a shitty lawyer who can’t even get a protective order against me. I just lie, add a few tears, and I get whatever I want. He can’t get any protection when I am not even present. Fuck you, Jason Leidel. You tell that asshole that he needs to give up on trying to get custody of my children.
00:12:11:18 – 00:12:24:02
Keith
My friends on the force have ensured me that since he was in jail for so long that he must be guilty. I have the courts. All right. Well, it changes font here, so work with me here.
00:12:24:02 – 00:12:27:27
Seth
Well, there’s like three different fans here. It’s very strange.
00:12:27:29 – 00:12:59:01
Keith
I have the courts eating out of my hands. Jason, if you do not immediately drop your custody case. And what does that say? Do not. Do not do not immediately sign the divorce papers and pay me double what I am owed. You need someone else to call 911 for you. I have been practicing over at Camp Alan. When I come for you, I won’t miss.
00:12:59:03 – 00:13:01:16
Keith
I think she’s alluding to shooting. Maybe.
00:13:01:16 – 00:13:12:14
Seth
I don’t know. Yeah. I mean, it’s definitely a violence threat. I don’t know what Fort Smith is. Camp Smith. Camp Alan, rather. I don’t know how I got Fort Smith from. I don’t know where camp Alan is though. I’ll have to Google that.
00:13:12:17 – 00:13:25:21
Keith
That goes for you and your kids. Sarah Sorg And then has some name that’s blacked out and then the ex wife’s name and it’s that that’s, that’s I think.
00:13:25:21 – 00:13:29:24
Seth
It’s I think that’s the ex-wife’s husband because remember he had.
00:13:29:24 – 00:13:31:26
Keith
Oh yeah, the new one.
00:13:31:28 – 00:13:36:03
Seth
So it makes it seem so from the two of them.
00:13:36:06 – 00:14:02:03
Keith
All I want to say Seth is a that’s fucking rambling. Just rambling. And B, who the hell would believe that someone would mail a letter like, Oh, if I read this as a police officer, the first thing I would go is really? The ex-wife sent this like she just identified herself and said, I’m going to shoot you would do, you know, like basically put everything in there.
00:14:02:05 – 00:14:26:22
Seth
Well, I have several questions. So just for the audience to be clear here, this was written by Sarah Sorg. And it looks like if I gave like a seven year old who wasn’t in the best schools like a day to go draft something, they could do a better job than this. I mean, this was done. Now, you could argue they did it kind of sort of on purpose to make the ex-wife look like she was, you know, not the sharpest knife.
00:14:26:22 – 00:14:51:21
Seth
I don’t know. I’m not sure that’s true. I would think they’d want to make it as sophisticated as possible to make it seem as real as possible. The whole thing just really being pathetic and more importantly, like clearly nobody would ever write this. Whoever, you know, especially one with no history of any kind of violence. And I mean, look, I know a lot of people got divorced who had it go really, really bad.
00:14:51:23 – 00:14:58:09
Seth
But this is a whole like next level shit right here, man.
00:14:58:11 – 00:15:20:19
Keith
I would I would argue that Jason wrote this, and I think the evidence is probably going to show that because I think Sarah probably would have spelled a little better just because I’ve seen her a lot more of her writing and she actually does spell things correctly and we see Jason mess it up. But you know, we don’t know for sure, but we got something coming up that alludes to what it could be.
00:15:20:21 – 00:15:21:21
Seth
Yeah.
00:15:21:24 – 00:15:52:25
Keith
So Sarah gets this letter that everybody and their brother thinks Jason and Sarah drafted themselves and sent it to them. And what does Sarah do? Remember, she’s a lawyer, so very first thing she does, she goes out, she files a police report over the extortion letter. And this is September 20th, 2020. And she says, hey, you know, here’s even a and I’ll show you that video side.
00:15:52:25 – 00:15:56:03
Keith
Sorry I’m not so quick on these.
00:15:56:05 – 00:16:00:11
Seth
Yep. Say we copy of the the actual physical envelope.
00:16:00:11 – 00:16:05:29
Keith
So she’s delivered that. So she says here is your return. Actual physical.
00:16:06:01 – 00:16:08:18
Seth
There’s no return address.
00:16:08:21 – 00:16:38:20
Keith
I believe even in. I’ll tell you why later. But I believe she said here is a picture of the extortion letter. And here is a picture of the envelope and I’ll tell you why in a second. So she end of the day, she files a police report, right? She starts the process against Jason Leidel’s ex-wife for this fraudulent letter that was sent to her.
00:16:38:22 – 00:17:12:09
Keith
So as I understand it, and correct me if I’m wrong, Seth, the process, at least as it sounds in Maryland, is you apply or you file a complaint first, which is what she did on the 20th. It basically she went in and I got an extortion letter. And then it sounds like the next day she went in and then applies for charges which then ups what happens to the ex-wife if if in this whole scheme, the cyber stalking scheme.
00:17:12:11 – 00:17:39:06
Keith
And I just want to note here and if you’re not from our area, these these places we’re talking about, they’re very close, but they’re still different states. So the ex-wife we told you in part one lives in Virginia Beach, Virginia, which is a pretty decent close drive from Maryland, which is where Sarah Sorg and Jason Leidel live. So by a car
00:17:39:07 – 00:18:05:21
Keith
it’s pretty easy to get from Jason’s place to the ex-wife’s place. So they started out with the charges in Maryland because that’s where Jason and Sarah live. And they went there and they like I said, they first filed the complaint and then they applied for charges. And I guess in the process, they basically said, okay, well, we’ll start an investigation.
00:18:05:22 – 00:18:13:28
Keith
We’ll talk to you in a few days, somewhere around September 29th or September 30th of 2020. So
00:18:13:28 – 00:18:44:18
Keith
in that time, because she had this allegation of receiving this extortion letter on September 21st, which is, again, the next day, it’s when she applied for the charges, she receives this preliminary peace order, which basically says that the ex-wife it says that Sarah has evidence that the ex-wife threatened her and the ex-wife has to stay away from her did
00:18:44:18 – 00:18:46:24
Keith
I categorize that well enough Seth?
00:18:46:26 – 00:19:08:13
Seth
I think that makes sense. Let me just pause for a second here. She’s an officer of the court and a fairly senior attorney and a major, you know, portion of the government that has a seat at the cabinet. She’s clearly committing fraud on the court here, either even if she didn’t write the actual or put together the letter.
00:19:08:13 – 00:19:27:22
Seth
The fact that the the letter, the the you know, seeking an order of protection was done in her name means that she’s clearly committing fraud. So similar to the guy, they got a couple of bucks for committing fraud over the years. But you know Amazon gift cards, is it worth it? She’s going to she’s literally ruining her legal career here over some bullshit.
00:19:27:22 – 00:19:45:07
Seth
And I just find that to be as an attorney and as a professional, I’m like, well, why would you do that for this guy? For what? I mean, that’s the thing. What’s her motivation? Unless she’s that in love with this guy? I don’t understand it. It’s it’s batshit.
00:19:45:09 – 00:20:10:00
Keith
I didn’t. Yeah, I didn’t. I wasn’t able to figure that out. Like, I couldn’t figure out why. With his troubled past, another woman would come in there and live with him. And then when she finds out how he treats her ex, his ex goes, I’m going to help you, you silly son of a bitch, and gets involved.
00:20:10:00 – 00:20:12:02
Seth
Right? I’m your huckleberry.
00:20:12:04 – 00:20:21:23
Keith
I mean, most people would go, What the hell is going on if I become an ex? I don’t want this to happen to me. And they would leave. But not Sarah Sorg.
00:20:21:25 – 00:20:24:10
Seth
Not now.
00:20:24:12 – 00:20:36:22
Keith
Sarah took care was taking care of business in Maryland. So then she turns her attention to Virginia Beach. And Virginia Beach is where the ex-wife lives. You want to tell us a little bit about that?
00:20:36:25 – 00:20:45:15
Seth
I do. So the court documents state that before Sarah’s appointment with the Montgomery County, that’s in Virginia Beach state’s attorney’s office.
00:20:45:15 – 00:20:47:29
Keith
No, no. Montgomery County is Maryland.
00:20:48:01 – 00:21:22:05
Seth
Sorry, Maryland, apologies. So that’s what I get for being a New Yorker. For the case, quote, to be properly evaluated and prepared the Virginia Beach date JDRC hearing or the Maryland District Court hearing for a full peace order against the ex-wife, Sarah initiated contact with law enforcement in Virginia Beach to have the ex-wife arrested. A review of the what the phone records for Sarah Sorg’s number showed that on Thursday, September 24th, 2020, three outgoing calls were made to phone numbers with the Virginia Beach 757 area.
00:21:22:05 – 00:21:44:14
Seth
And they know they were all law enforcement. One was the Virginia Beach Sheriff’s office at 1106. 5 minutes later was the Virginia Beach Police Department service department. And 4 minutes after that, the Virginia Beach Police Department’s third precinct. So she was on a mission to get ex-wife arrested. And guess.
00:21:44:14 – 00:21:47:18
Keith
What? And guess what happens? Guess what happened?
00:21:47:18 – 00:22:14:04
Seth
She succeeded. On the 25th of September, Virginia Beach Police Department arrived at the ex-wife’s residence in Virginia Beach and arrested her based on an extradition warrant from the state of Maryland. And she was jailed for four days in Virginia Beach as a direct result of the application for charges filed by Sarah Sorg. That is fucked up.
00:22:14:07 – 00:22:18:05
Keith
Yeah. That is absolutely batshit crazy.
00:22:18:05 – 00:22:45:25
Keith
So what was interesting and I picked apart the court records to learn a little more a little more about this is they said, even the arrest of the ex-wife was weird. It wasn’t a normal arrest. It said there was a first attempt to arrest her and it was conducted by school resource officers that’s weird who don’t normally execute arrest warrants.
00:22:45:25 – 00:23:01:01
Keith
So imagine it’s your officer that is basically like a liaison with the kids and protects kids at a school. And they’re like, Hey, guess what? Today, buddy, you got to go arrest this teacher. Yep. Have fun.
00:23:01:01 – 00:23:35:15
Seth
Well, what it shows is the police department themselves couldn’t proverbially shoot straight either. They did not follow protocol at all, apparently. You know, when Maryland contacted Virginia Beach to request a service of the arrest warrant like that would protocol was not followed and there were multiple attempts to arrest the ex-wife. And in both cases involving a school resource officer on the initial attempt and the second attempt, the service was field initiated and did not come in through the appropriate dispatch service from the Virginia Beach PD.
00:23:35:18 – 00:24:00:22
Seth
So according to the court documents, it was really Sarah’s specific multiple attempts to communicate with law enforcement that really ultimately resulted in ex-wife’s arrest. In other words, if she wasn’t so adamantly pursuing this and basically flying a red flag like this is a big problem you have there as a right now, they would have realized, wait a second, wait a second.
00:24:00:22 – 00:24:17:14
Seth
We got to go through proper channels here. And she would not have spent four days in jail. So this was not only Sarah. I mean, this was a direct result of Sarah’s aggressive attempts. But this is also, I think, kind of an embarrassing scenario from both Virginia P.D. and the Maryland court.
00:24:17:16 – 00:24:52:18
Keith
So imagine ex-wife. Holy shit, I’m in jail for four days. Something very happen, very important happens in those four days. Sorg, Sarah Sorg and Jason Leidel were granted a protective order from the ex while she was in jail. So since the ex wife was in jail, she couldn’t show up to court to defend herself. And when she couldn’t show up in court to defend herself, it was then just granted to Sorg and Leidel.
00:24:52:21 – 00:25:09:12
Keith
So it was sort of like, I don’t know, the Scooby Doo where you just had the criminals in the background and she just like, fell right into the trap. She fell, you know, was arrested. And while she was arrested, this protective order was granted. And it’s the ball just keeps rolling from here.
00:25:09:14 – 00:25:35:06
Seth
Yeah. So later on. So just a couple of days later, now the 28th of September, the arrest happened on the 25th. The ex-wife was released from custody and all charges against her were dropped by the commonwealth’s attorney in Virginia Beach. The ex-wife immediately appealed the final protective order ruling in Montgomery County, Maryland, upon her release as well. So they were like, sorry, didn’t mean to put you in jail for four days.
00:25:35:09 – 00:25:48:05
Seth
Our bed and I mean, frankly, I think she should sue them civilly. But what do I know? I’m a lawyer. But let’s move on to what Jason Leidel says about all this. When he was asked.
00:25:48:08 – 00:26:16:18
Keith
Well, he pretends to know nothing because September 29th, which was a few days later, he emails the ex-wife’s attorney and starts using this event that she was put into jail to his advantage to try to get information about their two minor children. And I’m not going to read this whole letter to you because it’s really. Well, maybe Do you want to, Seth?
00:26:16:21 – 00:26:45:25
Seth
Yeah, I think it kind of shows kind of more how shitbaggy Leidel and maybe this when he had some help from his lovely girlfriend there to draft this. So and let’s keep in mind the context here. Leidel is sending an email to both his ex-wife’s attorney and the guardian ad litem. So for those of you who don’t know, in a nasty divorce proceeding, the courts will assign essentially a social worker who is there to make sure that the best interests of the minor children are always kept in place here.
00:26:45:27 – 00:27:05:27
Seth
So the guardian ad litem is also a part of this email, and he writes, Sir slash madam, could you please tell me the whereabouts of minor one in minor to his children? I haven’t spoken with either of them since Wednesday or heard from them since that time. I’m concerned for their whereabouts, especially since it has come to my attention.
00:27:05:27 – 00:27:30:13
Seth
That ex-wife spent this past weekend in jail. Where were minor one and minor two this past weekend? 25 to 27 September? And who was taking care of them? So before we continue, I want to make this clear. He got his wife thrown in jail and he wasn’t concerned. I mean, obviously, he’s you know, he’s feigning indignance and up being upset about his children not being cared for, but he fucking caused it.
00:27:30:13 – 00:27:32:17
Seth
Anyway. You could take the next paragraph, Dr. Jones.
00:27:32:17 – 00:27:58:27
Keith
Sure. From what I was able to put together, it is my belief the ex-wife was arrested Friday morning sometime before 10:30 a.m.. The attorney of ex-wife emailed me at 1112 like 11 a.m. 12 minutes Friday morning and did not mention the ex’s arrest. As of right now, no one has informed
00:27:58:27 – 00:28:02:19
Keith
me that the ex-wife was incarcerated.
00:28:02:21 – 00:28:14:13
Keith
I only found out yesterday afternoon about the ex-wife’s arrest when I checked to see if ex-wife complied with the subpoena that my criminal attorney issued for ex-wife.
00:28:14:20 – 00:28:39:17
Seth
So let’s just pause here. It just happened to be that on a random weekend, he checked with this subpoena that was filed by his his attorney for his ex-wife. And lo and behold, oh, she’s in court. I mean, really, I just found that to be a little bit incredulous. So he continues in the letter, This is another example of how this current situation is untenable.
00:28:39:19 – 00:28:41:14
Seth
A five dollar word there for Jason.
00:28:41:17 – 00:28:46:28
Keith
That’s that’s way too big of a word for him. Way too big. What? She wrote that Sarah wrote that?
00:28:47:00 – 00:29:06:09
Seth
Yeah. Well, since he gets hear and here, does it, you know, mix up. I don’t know how it is possible that he would use untenable. I am rarely able to reach the girls via prepaid phone. Ex-wife and I share joint legal custody. How come neither is CPS, Child Protective Services, the police, Sheriff’s, etc.. Nor either one of you.
00:29:06:09 – 00:29:15:12
Seth
And again, counsel and the guardian ad litem notified me that ex-wife was incarcerated.
00:29:15:14 – 00:29:37:01
Keith
I need to know that my two children are okay. Once ex-wife was taken into custody, I should have been notified. I contend that it should have been my decision as to where and with whom my two children stayed until ex-wife’s release from prison. Prison buddy? Really? All right? Yeah. I was denied.
00:29:37:05 – 00:29:39:25
Seth
Prison and jail, by the way, are not interchangeable.
00:29:39:27 – 00:29:50:04
Keith
Yeah. Yeah, I was denied the opportunity to make that choice. Gal, yesterday afternoon, I called your office and spoke with Taylor.
00:29:50:05 – 00:29:53:01
Seth
That’s guardian ad litem.
00:29:53:03 – 00:29:59:02
Keith
Oh, okay. Hopefully she was able to give you message.
00:29:59:05 – 00:30:30:20
Seth
That’s interesting language. And then he finishes with I also wanted to let you know that last week I was granted the Maryland version of a PPO. I guess it’s a personal protective order against ex-wife. The protective order has now become final PO protective order and will last for one year. I also believe that ex-wife violated the no, quote, communication, close quote portion of the Virginia Beach JDR court order from 4th of December 2020 and he just signs it Jason Leidel with a phone number.
00:30:30:23 – 00:30:36:12
Keith
Well the phone number that’s verified on all these goddamn accounts that are spoofing everything no less.
00:30:36:17 – 00:30:40:14
Seth
Yes, for sure. That’s an important point.
00:30:40:16 – 00:30:57:18
Keith
Now, that last paragraph where he was boasting about getting his protective order, he got the protective order because he got his ex-wife thrown in jail. So I don’t know if I. I don’t know if I’d be bragging about that, but. Right. You know, it is what it is, right?
00:30:57:20 – 00:31:24:19
Seth
Yeah. So now we move on. Now, Sarah Sorg, she’s continuing to push that extortion letter. So the court documents read that now. So now it’s five days later, September 30th, 2020 or one day prior to Jason Leidel’s JDRC hearing for his alleged violation of a peace bond. So the timing here is not a coincidence. Sarah sends a Virginia Beach police detective, a Chelsea
00:31:24:24 – 00:31:45:18
Seth
Lindemeyer the following email from her Yahoo account. Dear Detective Lindemeyer I reached out to the Virginia Beach non-emergency number to make a report, but the intake offer indicated that I should reach out to you. The reason why I am reaching out to you is that the threatening letter I received may relate to case number, and it’s some random case number that you are investigating.
00:31:45:18 – 00:32:06:04
Seth
I received the letter on September 20th, 2020, attempting to extort me and making threats against Jason Leidel, myself and my children. I believe that based on the contents of the letter and this is all in italics and the fact that it was postmarked from Virginia, Miss Ex-wife sent this letter to me. I have attached a photograph of the letter and the envelope.
00:32:06:04 – 00:32:35:04
Seth
The letter demands that I pay $28,500 by the end of September and states, quote, Imagine what will happen if I convince my friends on the force that you had a major role, r o l l, in their investigation t h e r e close quote, I bet you get disbarred. Just pay me. And I believe this goes away close quote. I believe this is referring to the criminal case involving Jason Leidel, where ex wife is the complainant since it is the end of September.
00:32:35:04 – 00:32:55:02
Seth
And I have no intention of paying any money in connection with this, I thought it would be prudent to let you know. I’ve already filed the police report with the Montgomery County Police, Maryland Police Department. I have applied for charges to the Maryland Commissioner open parens I believe that Ms.. Pickett’s ex-wife was arrested in Virginia Beach in connection with the Maryland case.
00:32:55:02 – 00:33:14:23
Seth
Close parens. I also received a peace order against ex wife because of the threat of bodily harm contained in the letter. Please let me know if you need anything further. Sincerely, Sarah Sorg. Again, pretty aggressive push here, given that we later found out that they sent the fucking letter.
00:33:14:26 – 00:33:39:20
Keith
Yeah, absolutely crazy. Well, let’s talk about that. Did Jason mail the extortion letter? I’m going to say most likely, yes, because investigators did a review of the JP Morgan Chase credit card that Jason Leidel had, and it showed that Jason Leidel made purchases of
00:33:39:20 – 00:33:50:27
Keith
gas at gas stations and convenience stores in the vicinity of Virginia Beach in September, specifically September 16th.
00:33:50:27 – 00:34:26:12
Keith
So a couple days before Sarah receives this letter, Jason, the investigators found checked into a hotel in Virginia Beach on September 16th, and then he checked out at approximately 7:30 a.m. on September 17th. So just the next morning, he had no other reason to be in Virginia Beach. And you say, how do you know that? Well, that’s because investigators went to his employer and they said, which is a military chain of command.
00:34:26:14 – 00:34:51:15
Keith
And they said, is there any reason that Jason Leidel should be in Virginia Beach during these t these dates of September 15 and September 17th? They made the time span there a little bigger just to make sure. And they said, no, there was no we didn’t send them there for work, anything else. And then they checked with the courts and they said, hey, is there any reason he should be in Virginia Beach for the two minors, his children?
00:34:51:18 – 00:34:52:17
Keith
No.
00:34:52:19 – 00:34:53:17
Seth
Nope. Nope.
00:34:53:23 – 00:35:09:14
Keith
So if you look at the fact that the letter is spelled to holy hell and the fact that Jason was in Virginia Beach, Virginia, that’s a pretty that’s a pretty big coincidence.
00:35:09:14 – 00:35:14:17
Seth
Seth Yeah, it’s not great.
00:35:14:20 – 00:35:36:08
Keith
So the investigator just comes out, the investigators, the attorneys just come out and said, you know, we think he mailed it himself while he was down there. Now, I thought this was especially funny. They went and a view interviewed Sarah Sorg at a later point. And they said, hey, Sarah, now I’m going to I’m going to act a little bit here.
00:35:36:09 – 00:36:05:23
Keith
This is how I imagine the conversation went down. The investigator investigators went in there and they said, hey, Sarah got a bunch of evidence and some questions to ask you, especially about this extortion letter. Is it possible that Jason Leidel could have written and sent that extortion letter? Sarah sat back, thought real deeply, and she said, you know, it could be a possibility.
00:36:05:23 – 00:36:44:02
Keith
the sergeant then said, Hey, Sarah, another question for you. Is it possible that you could have written the extortion letter and Sarah’s like I uh mmm the sky is blue. I like turtles. Uh. And basically did not give him any other information that would be exculpatory for her or Jason. So I read this whole paragraph, Seth, of they sort of pushing her to the point of being on the record of saying, could Jason have done this, Could you have done this?
00:36:44:02 – 00:36:58:09
Keith
Are you involved? And I think like her attorney brain or in there somewhere went, Oh shit, I can’t I can’t lie because it always sounds like she’s like, it could have been us.
00:36:58:12 – 00:37:00:15
Seth
Right? Yeah.
00:37:00:15 – 00:37:01:05
Seth
So
00:37:01:05 – 00:37:31:23
Seth
let’s flash forward to mid-November of 2020. Sarah here does win her protective order, though. She continued to pursue a protective order against the ex-wife by testifying in the Maryland Montgomery County Circuit Court. Both ex-wife and Sarah Sorg testify that they’ve only had approximately three in-person encounters, and all encounters occurred in Virginia Beach during child exchanges of Jason and ex-wife’s minor children and a concert where both were present.
00:37:31:26 – 00:37:59:06
Seth
These encounters occurred in late February of 2020. In early March of 2020, Ex-wife and Sarah stated they had no other communication by any other means since March 2020, and that includes email, text messages, phone calls and social media. The judge ruled in favor, though, of Sarah for the protective order against the ex-wife, which is interesting that that he would do that.
00:37:59:08 – 00:38:04:19
Seth
Yeah, because he had no other evidence. So tell us where the letter is.
00:38:04:21 – 00:38:40:07
Keith
Nobody knows at this point. They have pictures and Sarah and Jason have not provided the letter or the envelope to law enforcement. They believe that the letter is at their residence. And this is at this point, they’re using all this evidence that we’re discussing and presenting to you as a reason to go do another search warrant, on their premises to try to find this letter.
00:38:40:10 – 00:38:59:14
Seth
Yeah. And here’s the thing. I mean, I’m not a forensic scientist, but if they didn’t find enough traces of ex-wife’s DNA on that letter, that’s a problem. Now, maybe. I don’t know, like, if he had an old glass or hair from ex-wife that he could have rubbed all over the letter. I don’t know. But I don’t think they got that far with this.
00:38:59:14 – 00:39:24:07
Keith
All right. So in January of 2021, this was really interesting thread. So Jason was pissed off at his ex-wife because she provided their two children that they had together what he calls and I’m using air quotes here. He calls on burner phones. And it’s because it was basically the phones were kind of like pay as you go phones.
00:39:24:10 – 00:39:42:28
Keith
But he kept calling them burner phones and he didn’t want the children to have them. I read into it just as a person that he was probably trying to alienate the mom and trying to cut off communication. But he made a big stink about this, these burner phones. So at some point along the line, he gets pissed off enough.
00:39:42:28 – 00:40:09:21
Keith
He just takes them. He just takes them away from the kids. So then Leidel Jason Leidel is now charged with the theft of these two phones. It doesn’t matter if they’re, you know, pay as you go. They could be expired. But he stole them. So now he’s being charged with the theft of these two phones. And again, we’ve said this probably ten times in this episode, you could stop the episode here and go, Holy shit, that was crazy.
00:40:09:21 – 00:40:35:16
Keith
But watch what happens when Jason is crossed at this point. And so so he is charged with the theft of the two phones. And because of that, Leidel and Sorg open the internals investigation against the detective that was involved with the charging of the theft of the burner phones. It’s like this guy couldn’t even keep it in the family.
00:40:35:16 – 00:40:38:22
Keith
Now he’s spreading his craziness to law enforcement.
00:40:39:00 – 00:40:51:07
Seth
I admit when we first started the episode, you mentioned that he was an equal shitbag to Dr. Ilg And I’m like, No. Dr. Ilg was a bigger shitbag. No, I’m not so sure now. I think we evened it out.
00:40:51:10 – 00:41:11:17
Keith
The the one thing that Ilg had on this guy was Ilg wanted to kill people and physically harm them, whereas this guy hasn’t physically harmed anybody yet, and he hasn’t said he wanted to kill anybody. But at the core, this guy just feels on par with doctor Ilg with me. Like it’s just this case is so creepy.
00:41:11:22 – 00:41:41:15
Seth
This guy’s fucking dark inside. It’s dark. All right. So let’s move to March 2021. Leidel was charged with a false statement to an officer, and the officer started receiving text messages. So now he’s fucking with the cop. The court documents read that on March 11, the 2021 Maryland Police detective won’t leave his name started receiving text messages from a specific phone number, and the number stated, I hear you’re oh I got
00:41:41:17 – 00:41:51:07
Seth
to read the asshole term. All right, these are nasty. So I hear h e r e You are as in the letter.
00:41:51:08 – 00:41:58:06
Keith
Stop, stop. He misspelled here. We already know that’s Jason Leidel. When he’s misspells here. He’s already done this many, many times.
00:41:58:12 – 00:42:21:00
Seth
Not h e a r I hear you. And then letter r a shit talker. But no dash. Come to my hood, n i g g a. And I’m not going to say it because I can’t. Kind of weird. Like I don’t know if the officer is black or not, but I’m pretty sure white people should really never use that word. Period. And then text messages from a different phone number.
00:42:21:00 – 00:42:50:16
Seth
Read Nah n i g g a, is this d i s Paul? I’m trying to get fuck up. I don’t know what that means. I heard you got that good shit. Freebase. Two words. Dot, dot, dot. I love the fake voice. I am with your mom. Want to call me Dad? Dee d a d dash d y. This is hilarious, you piece of shit. I am in your dead mom’s ass.
00:42:50:19 – 00:43:10:20
Seth
I bet she terrible debt. I don’t even know what to say about this. Like, it’s both incoherent and so gross and nasty. It’s like I can’t even, like, make a comparison to how bad it is. It’s just so stupid, and it’s to a police officer.
00:43:10:23 – 00:43:11:18
Keith
So.
00:43:11:21 – 00:43:35:22
Seth
By the way, I mean, I could ask you the level of. But imagine you got pulled over for speeding. Let’s just say it was a bullshit ticket. You got pulled over for going 40 and a 35 or 41 in a 40. Would you get so upset that you’d start texting silly shit, sexual innuendo to the cop? I’m pretty sure you just wouldn’t do that right? no
00:43:35:22 – 00:44:01:07
Keith
And you got to imagine when, like, he’s bullying everybody that he can. But when he starts to bully police officers, I imagine the police officers at that moment just went, hold my beer. This is what we do is investigations. Right. So what they did is they looked at these phone numbers and these phone numbers come back to anonymous text messages.
00:44:01:09 – 00:44:28:22
Keith
These services we’ve talked about these in prior episodes where you could basically get them online. You pay a nominal fee and you can send text messages using phone numbers that aren’t your phone number. Now, when investigators start to do an investigation into the phone numbers, they found these phone numbers came from a service like this. It’s called pinger slash text free.
00:44:28:22 – 00:44:31:29
Keith
If you’re curious on the exact service that was used here.
00:44:32:02 – 00:44:34:05
Seth
eCrimeBytes
00:44:34:07 – 00:45:04:24
Keith
Yep. And when the investigators went to this service with their investigative tools, I imagine some search warrant court order process where they could get subscriber information and the subscriber information showed that the account was created on March 11, 2021 from an IP address of 73. I’m just going to read it to you because this is what an IP address looks like.
00:45:04:24 – 00:45:45:12
Keith
they found that it was associated to Comcast, which is cable modems 73.129.168.155. And what does that mean? Well, you can take that. Nerds like myself can take that and basically find out geographically approximately where that IP address comes from and what company owns it, because there will be some kind of owner behind it. Now, when the investigators took that IP address and ran it through this investigative process that I very quickly waved my hands and explained to you, they found that it was associated to Comcast, which is cable modems.
00:45:45:12 – 00:46:25:21
Keith
In my area, the Washington, D.C. area. But it comes back to this other friend, and we’re just going to call him Jason’s friend, because I’m sure he doesn’t have a lot of them that we just know it’s this one right? So Jason had this friend, his initials are W C and that WC that person, that’s the IP address that showed up in this anonymous text message service, that’s threatening the police officers with all the language that Seth read to you.
00:46:25:24 – 00:46:29:04
Keith
All right, Are you with me? So immediately.
00:46:29:04 – 00:46:31:08
Seth
As much as they were harassing and.
00:46:31:10 – 00:46:31:29
Keith
Harassing, I.
00:46:31:29 – 00:46:37:16
Seth
Guess, was there a threat? I wasn’t really a threat anyway.
00:46:37:18 – 00:46:55:25
Keith
So they talked to this gentleman, Jason’s friend, and Jason’s friend’s basically like, hey, yeah, it wasn’t me, but I do have a friend. His name is Jason. He’s over here all the time and we’ll come to find out that not only is he over there all the time, but Sarah Sorg is over there all the time as well.
00:46:55:27 – 00:47:16:04
Keith
So I had to stop here for a moment. Seth. Like there were some. We’ve. We’ve given you tons of tons of heinous shit that this guy has done. But to go to your friend’s house, say, Hey, buddy. Hey, Wendell. I’m just going to make the name up. It’s w Hey, Wendell. You might. If I get on your your wi fi.
00:47:16:07 – 00:47:42:15
Keith
Sure. What’s your password? Oh, it’s just password. One, two, three. Sweet. Put it into my phone. I’m on it. Now I’m doing things like sending harassing text messages to a police officer using my friend’s IP address. It just. That blows my mind that that guy would go to that level and basically put his friend in the investigator’s investigative crosshairs.
00:47:42:16 – 00:48:25:28
Seth
Well, and the friend knew he had any intent to do that, then he’s an accessory to the crime. I mean, it’s not great for for either of that. So we we learned that the text messaging service called text now is registered to Leidel’s phone. And the court documents state that pursuant to both a Maryland and FBI law enforcement, a Maryland PD and FBI search warrant for user account AM revealed that user account AM received emails from texts now confirming registration for the phone numbers that were used in the text messaging to the police officer, as well as emails between another a fraudulent and spoofed account belonging to Jason Leidel.
00:48:26:00 – 00:48:35:16
Seth
So basically they use technology to back into the fact that this is definitely Jason. And then we learn that Sorg also used the friend’s house. Tell us more.
00:48:35:16 – 00:49:05:03
Keith
Keith Yeah, well, not much more than that. I’ve already mentioned it, but they saw that Sarah Sorg logged in using the same IP address to her Yahoo! Account that was associated with the friend. So if someone wants to argue that maybe the friend was sending text messages, it’s like, no, he’s obviously sharing his wi fi with this couple that apparently comes over and visits his house enough that they use his wi fi enough.
00:49:05:03 – 00:49:06:05
Keith
Right?
00:49:06:07 – 00:49:30:25
Seth
Right. So now we’re getting into now this is not the end of it with the police officer. No, no. Jason starts spoofing emails to and from the officers. I guess he figured I’m really good at doing this with the ex-wife. Let’s move on to fucking with law enforcement. So on August 24th of 2021, the Maryland County Police Department, is it Maryland County?
00:49:30:28 – 00:49:31:26
Keith
Montgomery County.
00:49:32:03 – 00:50:00:00
Seth
Montgomery. I’m sorry, but that is in Maryland. Yep. A specific the same detective. His email account, which is first name last name at Montgomery County, MD dot gov purportedly sent the following email to the Maryland, the Maryland The Montgomery County Chief of Police and the Montgomery Council counsel. And it reads, Marcus Marcus would be the first name of the Chief of Police.
00:50:00:02 – 00:50:26:08
Seth
Are [sic] line of work is not the same. Our every move not our should be our is watched and recorded a comment or a fag joke is now insensitive. How many times did we enhance the facts to put scumbags behind bars? Oh my God. We were taught to trust are as in a r e should be a o u r gut.
00:50:26:08 – 00:50:53:07
Seth
Now we have to investigate first, explain our evidence. That’s our evidence should be then file charges. I didn’t sign up for this. I made sergeant that’s s a r g a n t by getting these illegals off the street and then creating enough evidence to these beaners. Oh, my goodness. Oh, Jesus. To admit to a few unsolved mysteries, my is being a c u n t all know apostrophe.
00:50:53:07 – 00:51:29:03
Seth
Take my pension and go live a plantation owner in one of these beaner places. Lovely. I hope you will attend my retirement. I told H.R. that I wanted to get officially retired by the end of September. Buck So just to be relent here or to repeat, Jason Leidel spoofed an email that is clearly racist and nasty to the chief of Police and a senior council member of the local government in an attempt to make the officer look awful.
00:51:29:05 – 00:51:35:07
Seth
So we learned. How did they bust him, Keith? How did we learn that this email came from a spoofed email service?
00:51:35:09 – 00:51:58:23
Keith
Well, in emails, a lot of times you don’t see these if you’re going to Gmail or Google Mail, but there’s headers and the headers you can think of as like your envelope to physical mail. Where has your physical mail might have a postmark on it? Your email has what servers this email’s traveled through, and that’s the first thing that investigators are going to look at.
00:51:58:23 – 00:52:23:24
Keith
They’re going to look at this list of servers that this email went through in order to get to the recipient. And they found it came from not internal to the police department where you would think it would come from. It came from a service that was known for being able to spoof emails. There’s actual services that you could pay for to do this type of thing.
00:52:23:26 – 00:52:42:17
Keith
And yeah, so I bet you Jason behind the scenes thinks he’s like probably all smart. He’s like, Oh, they’re probably all at each other’s throats now. Send in the stuff and they’re just reading this going mother fucker. They sent it from another spoofed email account. Well, we’ll put that with the evidence and.
00:52:42:19 – 00:52:46:13
Seth
So there’s another email. You get to do this. What I’m not doing both of these. These are awful.
00:52:46:15 – 00:53:14:23
Keith
All right. So the second emails from the detective and this is going to the Montgomery County state’s attorney, which is, you know, the big dog of the attorney wise of the county. We don’t have a lot of counties in Maryland. So it’s a lot of people. And. Oh, and he also sent it to his ex-wife. She apparently was in the Navy.
00:53:14:23 – 00:53:24:20
Keith
I didn’t notice that before. But she has a Navy dot mil account so apparently he cc the spoofed email to his ex-wife as well which.
00:53:24:20 – 00:53:26:22
Seth
Is kind of weird.
00:53:26:25 – 00:53:48:20
Keith
Immediately I go, Oh my God, I would I would think like they would put two and two together if I was the criminal. And I sent that and then I put my ex-wife on there. But who knows, I’m just going to read it to you and then we’ll discuss. So he says, this is supposedly from the detective. It says, I don’t without apostrophe.
00:53:48:22 – 00:54:15:09
Keith
Know what games you are playing. You need to call Miss Mooney immediately. I have stuck my neck out for you. I protected you when you admitted to me that your boyfriend had guns. I worked very closely with your attorney to punish your ex. I lied to NCIS, which is the Naval Criminal Investigative Services. They’re the police of the Navy, So I’ll.
00:54:15:13 – 00:54:44:10
Keith
I’ll start the sentence again. It says I lied to NCIS. And when that didn’t, without an apostrophe work, I left out a lot of information to get him charged. Karen is one of us. She will take care of you. The FBI is poking around into my case files. Oh, my God. Jesus. This guy. If they discover that I intentionally fabricated the charges for you, then I am going down.
00:54:44:13 – 00:55:09:27
Keith
If I go down, then so will you. Karen knows the emails that you sent about your kids phones being located in Virginia. You admitted to sending all of these emails. I have immunity. I have you recorded admitting to fabricating these charges. Fix this or else Ms.. Mooney will use the entire weight of her office to charge you with a lot of charges.
00:55:09:29 – 00:55:32:11
Keith
Your. And this one’s wrong. This is apostrophe R. E Worst fear will come true. Your again used wrong… Asshole Baby Daddy will have your kids and you will be back in jail. Kill them or don’t. I’m not going down for you, Paul. And then it’s got his block, you know.
00:55:32:13 – 00:55:36:16
Seth
And that kind of note in an email, right?
00:55:36:19 – 00:56:00:09
Keith
Oh, my God. Okay, well, there’s two huge thoughts came to mind. First is, Oh, my God, what the hell was that like that is just the out of all the stuff I’ve read for eCrimeBytes, this is just like each email just ratchets it up further to the point where my second thought is like, I wonder how stable this dude is right? Nope.
00:56:00:09 – 00:56:23:06
Keith
Like, you try to you try to think about this investigatively and you’re like, would a police officer really email the state’s attorney and the ex-wife of this guy and basically be like, I fabricated all this evidence, you better make this shit go away or else That doesn’t seem like a real stable move at Jason’s part.
00:56:23:06 – 00:56:51:00
Seth
No, but they figured out pretty quickly that, again, it was spoofed. Review of the email filed by the Montgomery County and a header analysis conducted reveal that the email did not originate from the detective’s email account, but rather from a fake mailer. And, you know, they backed it up into into Jason Leidel. But buckle up because there’s more emails moving.
00:56:51:00 – 00:56:56:09
Seth
He didn’t stop. On or about. So you want to take this stop.
00:56:56:12 – 00:57:19:27
Keith
That we could stop that we could still stop the episode here. Be like, that was fucking crazy, right? Right. He he’s been after his ex-wife. He’s now harassing the police officers that are involved with this case. He’s he’s gone all the way up to the state’s attorney. Who else could Jason Leidel harass in his case? Seth, tell us who it who it is.
00:57:20:02 – 00:58:02:18
Seth
I don’t follow this. So this I guess he spoofed I don’t know who he spoofed. In April. So a month later, end of April, a judge in the Virginia Beach Juvenile and Domestic Relations court receives an email from and I can’t tell because it’s completely blacked out. But from somebody with what appears to be a forwarded email from the ex-wife alleging that the ex-wife was being harassed by the Virginia Police Department, Virginia Beach Police Department and the Virginia Beach Police Department promising to protect the ex-wife even if the ex-wife lied.
00:58:02:21 – 00:58:25:24
Seth
And I’ll read it. I am getting harassed by the Virginia Beach Police Department, they promise to protect me if I lied. I am now being told that my finance has to get through. Yeah, I’m assuming she meant fiancee. My finance has to get rid of his large weapons cache? She got cache right. Or I have to move because I have a protective order against me.
00:58:25:24 – 00:58:48:10
Seth
That’s ridiculous. The Second Amendment protects his guns. My ghost guns are untraceable. Do you know? As in, n o what I had to do to get him to buy me our house? I did things I swore I would never do. I wasn’t really going to kill all those people. I just wanted to scare them into giving me everything that I want.
00:58:48:12 – 00:59:07:07
Seth
I have threatened to kill myself and my kids several times. I use a VPN and deny writing it. No one cares. I’m afraid that I will be forced into a mental mental institution. I will not be ordered to take pills. I have copied the judge for you to tell her yourself that she can’t with no apostrophe, make me do anything.
00:59:07:09 – 00:59:17:28
Seth
I am a member of a group that does not submit to the government’s authority. Signed by the ex-wife. That’s fantastic.
00:59:18:00 – 00:59:44:15
Keith
One thing I want to point out is a technical term that we went over very quickly. The VPN in there. Yeah. So this obviously faked email purportedly coming from the ex-wife says that she uses a VPN. We talked about this. We talked about VPN in prior episodes. I’ll give it a description again for the people that have just joined us.
00:59:44:18 – 01:00:14:00
Keith
So a VPN stands for Virtual Private Network and there are good reasons and there are bad reasons to use a VPN. If you’re at work, you probably have to get your resources at work and you can use a VPN to basically put you on a network with your network, your work resources. So you basically authenticate usually with like a username and password, and then you then have access to that network.
01:00:14:03 – 01:01:00:01
Keith
Now other types of VPNs will not just give you your work resources like work VPN Well, it will give you the whole internet. You can just basically browse the whole Internet. And these are commercial VPNs and like for instance, Surfshark VPN we’ve talked about, that’s a type of VPN and there’s other types of VPN where basically you buy them and you connect up through an application and it sends all your traffic from your computer that would normally go out your cable modem and it sends it through another service service provider through the Internet, and you’re like, okay, my head spinning, don’t worry, There’s only one thing you need to know about this.
01:01:00:03 – 01:01:23:10
Keith
When somebody uses a VPN, their IP address of where they’re coming from can change. So you remember that dotted number I talked to you about earlier. If you use a VPN, you can change that dotted number to make it look like it’s coming out of Sweden or Washington DC or wherever, pretty much wherever you want it to come out of.
01:01:23:12 – 01:01:57:28
Keith
As long as your VPN provider has a presence there. So this is important. VPN is mentioned once now in this letter that Seth just read to you, but we then see the investigators go in a little deeper on it. They they say that Leidel also uses a VPN. They said that the not only does the email say use a VPN when later on they did analysis on his iPhone.
01:01:57:28 – 01:02:26:09
Keith
His iPhone. What was it, a 6s that was seized from the residence of Jason Leidel and Sarah Sorg. It revealed that he had a VPN installed on that phone. Now stop there for a moment. You go, Holy shit, that’s one hell of a coincidence, right? The word VPN showing up in this email. Jason Leidel. He’s being accused of running a VPN.
01:02:26:10 – 01:02:49:07
Keith
He definitely has it on his phone. The log in for the VPN is his ex-wife’s name and his phone, so it shows that Jason Leidel uses a VPN, but he doesn’t even use it under his name. He uses it under his ex-wife’s name.
01:02:49:09 – 01:02:50:13
Seth
Batshit.
01:02:50:15 – 01:03:20:24
Keith
Now here, here we shift gears a little bit. So you imagine at this point the cops are not really believing them. They’re poking the cops and the state’s attorney and now a judge so much that the heat starting to focus back on them. So what do you do when we’ve talked about all this evidence, What were going on almost 2 hours now, Seth, between these two, all this evidence, what do you do when the heat is turned around on you?
01:03:20:26 – 01:03:33:00
Seth
You just you try to destroy the evidence. The problem with doing that is when it’s electronic, it’s harder to do so. We learned initially that Sarah Sorg starts deleting emails. Right.
01:03:33:00 – 01:03:38:24
Seth
So on or about the court documents state July 23rd of 2021. So now the heat is on.
01:03:38:24 – 01:04:05:08
Seth
Sarah Sorg using her work email account from the DOJ DOT Department of Transportation emails somebody an ethics adviser to the Department of Transportation, to inform them that she wanted to file a notice of claim against the Montgomery County in Maryland regarding the search warrant of her residence in the year before and to determine if there were any ethical concerns with her doing so, giving her position in the government.
01:04:05:11 – 01:04:38:13
Seth
And Sarah stated, quote, I plan on doing it pro se, for those of you who are not just means she’s going to represent herself in my personal capacity, on my own time, using my own resources. And I think she said that more for ethical reasons. However, search and review of the email in Jason’s AOL account and the correspondence between Jason and Sarah shows that the various documents drafted by Sarah were produced using a Department of Transportation computer and a department of Transportation licensed software, contrary to Sarah’s earlier statement to the ethics person.
01:04:38:15 – 01:04:55:11
Seth
Furthermore, a U.S. Department of Transportation review of Sarah’s user account in her email revealed that Sarah selectively deleted nearly all emails with the ethics person regarding ex-husband Jason Leidel.
01:04:55:14 – 01:05:15:07
Keith
So that’s not good. Well, let me say this in the legal realm, deletion of evidence is a very, very, very serious topic. And if a lawyer’s found deleting evidence, I mean that that would be like grounds for disbarment, wouldn’t it?
01:05:15:07 – 01:05:20:08
Seth
Seth It would certainly be grounds for disbarment.
01:05:20:10 – 01:05:58:09
Keith
Yeah. It’s it’s a it’s even more of a big deal if a layman did it, they could go at it, really know what I was doing. She’s an attorney. She knew exactly what she was doing, as is the point I’m trying to get across here. So let’s switch gears to more destruction of evidence on Jason’s side. So, Jason, if you remember, has been going to this USUHS, which I forget, it’s one of the universities and he was transferred from there back to the Bureau of Medicine in Falls church, Virginia, which is again really close to Maryland.
01:05:58:11 – 01:06:32:28
Keith
So like any normal commercial place that you might work when you switch jobs, you have to turn in a laptop and you go get a new laptop at your new job. So he did this. He turned in his laptop at the USUHS. And so since he did this, they still had that evidence around. And so they started looking at it and they said, Hmm, when I try to boot up this laptop, it doesn’t boot up into the approved operating system that you would expect for our systems.
01:06:33:01 – 01:06:56:12
Keith
What does that mean? So you imagine if you have a personal laptop, let’s say it’s like a like a MacBook Pro, right? You get it from work and your work will probably have tons of stuff set up on it. So you can do your job effectively. You’ll have your chat programs, you’ll have, you know, in my case, I code, source code.
01:06:56:12 – 01:07:19:25
Keith
So I have my source coding programs and all that kind of stuff sort of set up on a corporate level and it’s usually an approved and I imagine you have these at your work Seth. It’s an approved image that people have on their laptops. And when you work there and you boot up into something other than approved image, it’s pretty obvious that it’s not the approved image.
01:07:19:27 – 01:07:43:19
Keith
And so what happened is Jason’s laptop came back and it didn’t have this approved image on it anymore. It had just this windows installation, just this random Windows installation on it. But more importantly, it had Bitlocker encryption on it. So what that means from an investigative sense is they couldn’t just look at the data on the hard drive because it was encrypted, right?
01:07:43:21 – 01:07:54:27
Keith
They couldn’t just go in there, look at the emails and quickly put a case together so you’d go, Oh shit, they’re, you know, they’re stumped. They can’t do anything, right? Well.
01:07:54:29 – 01:07:58:02
Seth
No, hold
01:07:58:02 – 01:08:18:17
Keith
Hey. Well, I’m gonna take a pause here, actually, for a second. For our listeners, you’re probably like, why is he pausing and this doesn’t matter for you? But the video viewers, you were like, How the hell did they just change their clothes really fast? And that was because we had something come up and we had a pause our recording, and then that had a pause for a day or so.
01:08:18:17 – 01:08:48:07
Keith
So we’re fast forward a couple of days in our lives. If you wonder why we look completely different. And you, Yeah, we’re not we’re actually not trying to trick you as much as you might think we are. Right. So I last left you, and I know it’s like you’re right into this, so it’s not like I left you, but we were last talking about this laptop that Jason Leidel gave back to his former employer as he was changing jobs like this happens in civilian life, too.
01:08:48:09 – 01:09:15:21
Keith
And when they received this laptop, it had a new operating system on it. And I was about to give you the punch line that not only was there a new operating system on there, which is weird, there is also a login not associated with Jason Leidel because it has his ex-wife’s name in there. And you got to think, wow, what kind of situation is.
01:09:15:28 – 01:09:36:15
Keith
So I don’t know how you would explain this if you were the if you were Jason Leidel and you were caught, how you would explain the fact that there’s a new operating system on your work laptop that there shouldn’t be? And second, there’s your ex-wife’s name that logs in there and I’m going to tell you that I don’t believe his ex-wife actually used the computer.
01:09:36:17 – 01:09:48:09
Keith
It was him that put his ex-wife’s name in there. I don’t know if it was him trying to pretend certain things came from her or what it was, but definitely suspicious, suspicious behavior.
01:09:48:12 – 01:10:14:07
Seth
Well, plus, the fact that you’re dealing with you know, a U.S. military branch computer, I would think, is, you know, making misuse of that and violating security controls like particularly bad like, you know, we do that at a big company. It’s bad. And I work in corporate security, so it’s really bad. But if you work in the military, I have to imagine that the controls on that need to be really, really stringent.
01:10:14:07 – 01:10:29:28
Seth
So the fact that he’s, you know, usurp that or, you know, really violated those policies, I have to imagine is extremely problematic, if not the level of criminal. Plus, it implicates his ex-wife. She never offered her consent to do that. None of this is good at all.
01:10:30:00 – 01:11:01:27
Keith
And in an under normal circumstances, if this laptop was not encrypted, we talked about the Bitlocker encryption earlier. If it was not encrypted, a computer forensic analyst could look at this laptop and tell you what’s on it. You know, what emails were sent, who logged into it, and all the good stuff that happened to the laptop. Well, since it was encrypted initially, you cannot just do that type of analysis and tell you that that’s the purpose of encryption is to protect the confidentiality of the data that’s on there.
01:11:01:29 – 01:11:38:05
Keith
Well, here’s an interesting tidbit. The investigators ended up using a pin that they found for Jason Leidel’s, United States Automobile Association, or USAA Mobile application. And they’re like an insurance organization. So he used this PIN to log in to some other application on his phone. And they have it because they did analysis on his phone. They use that pin to try to log into the laptop because, I mean, attackers do this and so do the good guys when they try to log in to bad guys, laptops, reuse passwords.
01:11:38:05 – 01:12:02:18
Keith
Right. Well, guess what? That pin actually allowed the login on the on that laptop that Jason put this new operating system on. And I just thought that was freaking amazing. And if you don’t catch if you don’t fully catch what the underlying implication that is you have his work laptop wiped out with a new operating system on it.
01:12:02:20 – 01:12:25:13
Keith
So right there, that’s bad. Purportedly his ex-wife’s name is logging into there. That’s another weird thing. So he could probably say, Oh, my ex-wife did some weird shit to my work laptop. But you go back to who or what the password or the pin is the log in, and it’s his pin under her name. Right? That connection right there.
01:12:25:13 – 01:12:29:06
Keith
That’s the important connection in my mind.
01:12:29:08 – 01:12:29:22
Seth
Agreed.
01:12:29:22 – 01:13:03:06
Keith
Well, so at the end of this, and we’ve been painting you this whole story, so at the end of this investigative story that we put together, the investigator basically just says, Hey, I believe that Jason Leidel wiped the system on his laptop. He has he installed an unauthorized operating system on that laptop and moreover, he tried to use this laptop to make it look like his ex-wife was doing some bad shit.
01:13:03:08 – 01:13:29:20
Seth
Yeah, that’s basically Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would argue that actually what the court documents read is even kind of paint some of the deeper picture because it it really was trying to conceal specific previous criminal activity at the same time trying to implicate his ex-wife, which is like a double double pronged asshole move.
01:13:29:23 – 01:13:31:15
Keith
Yeah.
01:13:31:18 – 01:14:00:23
Seth
So moving forward in time here, there’s additional elements of harassment, both at the end well, in August of 2021 and into March of 2022, in 21, there was spoofed email to PTA members about a domestic violence case against his ex-wife. And then in March of 22, Leidel hacked and started sending messages through his ex-wife court mandated messaging account.
01:14:00:25 – 01:14:28:25
Seth
Remember, we talked about the the court mandated messages again earlier. So, yeah, it’s not great. The court documents specifically mention that based on forensic review and advanced data recovery of the that old iPhone six s that was seized from Jason and Sarah Sorg’s residence, the investigator believed that the password was also used by Jason for his Pepco online account.
01:14:28:25 – 01:14:32:00
Seth
Remind me Keith, which was the Pepco account?
01:14:32:02 – 01:14:36:24
Keith
Pepco is one of our energy providers in the Washington, D.C. area.
01:14:36:26 – 01:14:53:09
Seth
So basically what he was he was using things like his automobile insurance and, you know, energy provider account passwords to to get into things, which is an interesting approach.
01:14:53:11 – 01:15:00:13
Keith
But the important thing here is the password was the same password that he used to share with his ex-wife.
01:15:00:13 – 01:15:02:14
Seth
Right. That’s that was a connective tissue. Right.
01:15:02:14 – 01:15:19:25
Keith
So it was a shared password that they both knew. And it was one of those situations where she probably didn’t update every account yet when they split and he knew this and then he was able to log in using that shared password that way.
01:15:20:01 – 01:15:44:29
Seth
Because if you’re thinking what I was saying, which is, well, how did his ex-wife let him do that? How did she know you know, why didn’t she know, rather that he was hacking into her shit Like and I think the answer we just kind of figured it out right, is that they obviously, when they were married, had to share certain accounts, like to pay bills and, you know, they were I guess, you know, that didn’t have unique passwords for every single different account they have.
01:15:44:29 – 01:15:51:02
Seth
I guess that could become unmanageable. So that was how he figured out how to access this stuff and probably why she didn’t pick up on it so fast.
01:15:51:02 – 01:16:09:29
Seth
So so the question of was, Jason, a flight risk has come up. So the court documents read that on September 7th of 2022, the investigator conducted a physical surveillance in the vicinity of a specific address.
01:16:09:29 – 01:16:13:17
Seth
I believe it’s where is that?
01:16:13:17 – 01:16:15:21
Keith
The house. That’s where they live.
01:16:15:26 – 01:16:45:05
Seth
That’s right. Okay. So, yeah, I wasn’t sure because it’s the name of the address. Makes it read like I might have been where his ex-wife worked, but yeah, where Jason Leidel and Sarah Sorg lived. And they also saw a car bearing the same shape as the specific type of car that Sarah and Jason shared. So follow up on database query queries indicated that both Jason and Sarah traveled to Canada a couple of days earlier on September 3rd of 2022.
01:16:45:07 – 01:17:09:24
Seth
Database queries also indicate that Jason and Sarah do not travel internationally frequently, so the timing on this is very, very suspect. In fact, Jason, his last traveled to Canada was like four years prior and Sarah previously internationally was three years prior. So these are not people who travel internationally often. So the fact that they suddenly went out to Canada was very suspicious.
01:17:09:24 – 01:17:44:25
Keith
Yeah. And so investigators are closing in at this point. They have a lot of evidence that we’ve presented here in this whole storyline. And they basically say in the court paperwork, we believe they’re getting ready to flee the country and we’re talking September 22, which is not that long ago. It was just last year. So with the court paperwork that we’ve given you so far, we haven’t we haven’t gotten to an indictment, we haven’t gotten to pleas and all the other things that we typically read from.
01:17:44:27 – 01:18:14:23
Keith
We’re sort of building to this point of where we are in time right now. And this is one of the last things that I thought was pretty disturbing that the investigators left in the court paperwork, which is we think that they’re a flight risk right. Now one other thing I want to add is I kept saying things like Jason Leidel and Navy and I started using past tense terms and I didn’t really tell you why.
01:18:14:25 – 01:18:43:24
Keith
Well, federally in the United States, if you’re not in the United States, you’re probably going to be confused on this. But there’s federally cannabis is illegal. So that means the whole country from the federal government, it’s illegal. A lot of states, I’d say probably maybe half of them have some type of law that will allow you to use cannabis either medically or recreationally.
01:18:43:27 – 01:19:05:28
Keith
But if you work for the federal government, which the Navy is the federal government, you have to abide by their laws no matter where you live. Even if you lived in California, which is one of the more liberal cannabis states in the United States, you still have to abide by the federal rules, which says that you cannot partake in any cannabis use.
01:19:06:01 – 01:19:34:22
Keith
And where am I going with this? Well, September 22nd, 2022, Jason Lidell tested positive for cannabis in his random urinalysis that the Navy takes of people, and they began the process to separate Jason Leidel. And that’s the reason why I started using past tense terms right now. So I want to explain real quick, and this is more of a overarching thing and then you can take the counts.
01:19:34:22 – 01:19:59:07
Keith
Seth, this case is a little different than the cases that Seth and I have produced to this point for you guys, because most of the cases we’ve given to you so far have been after they’ve been tried, even a lot of times after they’ve been sentenced and served their sentence. This case is so fresh. The complaint is where we’re at.
01:19:59:09 – 01:20:25:03
Keith
So that’s why I’m saying things like the last thing the law enforcement said is they’re going to flee the country. I’m not trying to leave this loose ended for you on my part. I’m just leaving it loose ended because that’s just where we’re at in time at this point. This is now we’re in October of 2022. There’s a complaint filed and this is one of the last things that happened in the public record that I could tell you for.
01:20:25:06 – 01:20:40:27
Keith
And that’s why this whole story, they haven’t been tried. They have been plea them plead out or anything. And you just have to assume we’re, we haven’t said alleged, but alleged, alleged on everything that we’re saying to you. And with that. Do you want to talk about the counts Seth?
01:20:40:29 – 01:21:04:08
Seth
Yeah, these counts are interesting and there’s quite a few of them. So at this point and I wouldn’t be surprised if more are filed at some point they were that the arrest and complaint warrant. Sorry, The arrest warrant. Sorry. There was a search warrant. There was a complaint and an arrest. So is a single affidavit contain the following potential violations of federal law.
01:21:04:08 – 01:21:31:03
Seth
We had conspiracy to commit cyber stalking. We had the aggravated identity theft, and we had fraud in relation to protected computers. And then we had a full on cyber stalking. So you go back into from the story here, right. The conspiracy to commit is all the prep work. And, you know, if Sarah helped him, then she would be, you know, a conspirator, a coconspirator and vice versa, because they definitely were coconspirators here.
01:21:31:06 – 01:21:47:02
Seth
And the actual act of cyberstalking, the identity theft should be fairly obvious, Right? Sending letters in her name and then the fraud as well, specifically using a protected computer because they had to get it with passwords. Let’s see here what do we got next, Keith?
01:21:47:05 – 01:21:51:23
Keith
Well, there’s two things. So it wasn’t just her name. It was all the police officers that.
01:21:51:23 – 01:21:53:10
Seth
Oh, right. Yes. Yes.
01:21:53:13 – 01:22:06:17
Keith
Absolutely. Everybody that they included in this bullshit story of theirs. And one of the things I want to know here is on the complaint, this affidavit for this complaint, both of their names are on there. Both Jason and Sarah are on there.
01:22:06:20 – 01:22:13:14
Seth
Yes. This gives credence to the fact that they are equal shitbags. We want to make sure that was clear on this.
01:22:13:17 – 01:22:19:09
Keith
Now, one of the things I wanted to point out was that there are a lot of agencies involved there.
01:22:19:16 – 01:22:20:06
Seth
Yeah.
01:22:20:08 – 01:22:45:17
Keith
This whole deal, it all starts with his ex-wife, with Jason’s ex-wife. And it’s not her fault, I don’t think. But it’s his actions with her that sort of set this whole ball rolling. And because of that, it’s not just, you know, a police department, not a maryland police department that’s involved anymore. You have the Virginia Beach Police Department.
01:22:45:17 – 01:23:16:13
Keith
You have the Montgomery County Police Department in Maryland, and now you have the FBI. And right there, if I was a criminal, be like, oh, shit. But now you have NCIS, which is basically the FBI of the Navy, and then you have the United States Department of Transportation, Office of Inspector General, also involved on this investigation. There’s a lot of people looking at these two alleged criminals.
01:23:16:16 – 01:23:32:06
Seth
Yeah. Which basically means that the charges can be trumped up like crazy here if they don’t cop a plea. So this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out, because if they do cop a plea, I think a lot of the charges will be consolidated. And then, you know, one federal unit or one state unit will agree.
01:23:32:06 – 01:23:53:24
Seth
And, you know, they’re not going to get three hundred years. But if they don’t play ball and it sounds like, you know, from what we’ve seen so far, they’re not exactly cooperative people. This will be interesting. Yeah. And then they list a bunch of victims here. So they said in committing these offenses here, they do specifically named Jason Leidel has either directly or indirectly involved and or implicated others in this matter.
01:23:53:24 – 01:24:12:14
Seth
So similar to having all these different federal and state regulatory agencies. Well, police and law enforcement, they’re not regulators, so I guess DOT regulates anyway, lots of victims here. So we have to remember, you have you know, you have I’m going to work my way up. You have the two minors, right, that are his children. You have his ex-wife.
01:24:12:14 – 01:24:19:29
Seth
You have the ex-wife’s husband. You have the attorney that he was and the judge.
01:24:19:29 – 01:24:36:22
Keith
You have the the fake ex-boy… if you’re going by the names that are on the slide. The other two are the they’re the fake ex-boyfriend, remember, of the ex-wife that he set up and that person’s spouse. Yes. And then.
01:24:36:22 – 01:24:37:18
Seth
Yes.
01:24:37:20 – 01:25:09:26
Keith
And then we got a bunch of witnesses and individuals that I don’t even know who they are because they’re all blacked out. And it’s a bunch of names that I hadn’t even heard of when I read all the court documents. And I am like, Who the fuck are all these people? There’s an individual C, there’s three witnesses and then there’s three physicians, which I guess would be the army or no, the name was at the Navy physicians that he said wrote in to the ex-wife’s medical record that she was suicidal and all this other stuff.
01:25:09:26 – 01:25:12:05
Keith
So there’s other considered there’s witnesses.
01:25:12:05 – 01:25:14:14
Seth
Of when he went into the.
01:25:14:16 – 01:25:14:21
Keith
The.
01:25:14:21 – 01:25:29:05
Seth
Physical location to physically grab a copy of his ex-wife’s medical record that he ended up altering. So whoever saw him going out of the building were all witnesses. Right. So, I mean, there’s the principal of the school that he was talking to. I mean, this is this is a mess.
01:25:29:07 – 01:25:55:12
Keith
There’s a colonel, the colonel of the New ex-wife’s husband was he received one of these fake emails that said that his subordinate, which was the ex-wife’s New husband, was doing all this shady shit. Well, they listed him as another one of the victims. So there’s it’s not just like his ex-wife. She took the brunt of his bullshit, but there’s a lot of other people involved.
01:25:55:14 – 01:26:16:17
Keith
I feel really bad for his friend. Right? Could you imagine? His friend had the FBI show up at the house and they’re like hey um we had some suspicious Internet traffic come from your house and you’re just like, Oh, shit, What the hell did I surf? Right, right, right. It ends up being your asshole friend that you use your wifi that ends up getting you investigated.
01:26:16:19 – 01:26:51:14
Seth
Yeah, Yeah. So as Keith said, as of late fall or early winter of 2022 in November, the indictment came out for Leidel. But now we wait. There’s been no indictment yet for Sorg. I suspect that’s because they’re probably negotiating with her to see how much they’ll turn on him or not. Yeah, I mean, this one, I’m very, very eager to see how this one evolves and ultimately, you know, if the plea that they ask him to cop something, he will agree to or if he’s going to fight it, I’m not sure what his defense would be because it’s not great.
01:26:51:16 – 01:26:55:12
Seth
The forensic evidence here is extremely damning.
01:26:55:14 – 01:27:13:22
Keith
Well, I’ll tell you one thing. There’s one thing we know about this case more than anything else. However he decides to fight this thing, it’s going to be full of misspellings and grammatical errors. Yeah. However, he does indeed. He will never spell here correctly. Ever.
01:27:13:25 – 01:27:36:15
Seth
Yeah. So, Keith, let’s let’s juggle these conclusions. I’ll start. What have we learned from this case? This couple? Well, and this is I want to make sure I attribute this to Jones was a tornado of schemes and crimes. And I’m going to throw my own word there and bullshit. I mean, you know, in law school they teach you to kind of read a paragraph and issue spot the various things. In here.
01:27:36:17 – 01:27:49:00
Seth
It’s almost impossible to keep up with it. There’s so many little things that they had done that create a legal issue or legal liability. So this was a this was a mess.
01:27:49:02 – 01:28:16:03
Keith
Well, the next conclusion was you have a Navy officer and you have a senior level Department of Transportation attorney. And my whole thought through this whole episode was, what the hell happened here? Did a vetting process just miss two bad apples? Did were they good apples at some point and just turned into bad apples? What the hell happened here?
01:28:16:05 – 01:28:19:06
Keith
Because when they went bad, they didn’t just go bad.
01:28:19:06 – 01:28:35:11
Keith
It’s kind of like Doctor Ronald Ilg. He he tried to kill people and have them hurt, but it was kind of like he did it once or twice and stopped, whereas this guy just never stopped. It was like he got caught by the cops and he was like, Fuck you, I’m going to spoof shit to the cops now.
01:28:35:14 – 01:28:48:16
Keith
And then the judge, you know, his case goes to the judge and he’s like, Fuck you, I’m going to spoof stuff to the judge now. And he just did not stop. And thankfully, thankfully, there was no physical violence that we know of. Right.
01:28:48:16 – 01:28:51:07
Seth
Or anything, which is shocking. Right.
01:28:51:09 – 01:28:57:04
Keith
So as you know, the way this guy escalated that, I would hate to have seen the outcome.
01:28:57:06 – 01:29:18:01
Seth
Yeah. I mean, and we’ll get more into that in a second because that’s still. Yeah, let’s back into the original victim here and this this ex-wife I mean again we’re not privy to how nasty the divorce got or what their marriage was like. And I again, I have several people that I’m friends with who people that I know that have gone through very nasty divorces.
01:29:18:01 – 01:29:36:24
Seth
But if there’s children involved or even if you’re just a human being, you know, there’s certain lines you don’t cross no matter what, no matter how badly you felt about it or how awful you felt you were treated, or vice versa, to start messing with somebody’s livelihood and to start making accusations in a public sphere like if you’re a teacher is aggressive.
01:29:36:24 – 01:30:08:20
Seth
But to do it when both both Leidel and ex-wife clearly were military veterans, he was still active, it seems like. I don’t know. That’s just, you know, a line that I think was crossed here. So over often, I mean, clearly by Jason. But just, you know, I’m just shaking my head because I can never imagine getting that upset that I would start breaking the law that aggressively, you know, directly at the at someone else’s, you know, so someone else is a victim here that that that terribly.
01:30:08:20 – 01:30:15:02
Seth
It was just really, really we haven’t seen that before. Right. It was really just aggressive.
01:30:15:04 – 01:30:35:16
Keith
The being jailed the ex wife being jailed over the guy’s spoofed communication not one not two, not three, four days she spent in jail because of this guy spoofing emails. I couldn’t imagine being in that. I mean, could you imagine just sitting there for four days going, No.
01:30:35:16 – 01:31:00:28
Seth
And I mean, it’s like it almost has like a separate episode to talk about here, which is the current state of our law enforcement and, you know, accusations and arrests. I mean, it’s really bad. I do have a friend who was arrested for an alleged domestic violence incident. No evidence to prove it. And in fact, there was exculpatory evidence and he was in jail for weeks, you know, between some of these states that have no bail.
01:31:01:01 – 01:31:19:29
Seth
It can get really, really harrowing. And, you know, and some of these states have looked at domestic violence as kind of a a critical mass of, you know, we’re not even arguing with it. We’re just going to assume that it’s bad. And yeah, I mean, if you know somebody makes an assertion against you, male or female, you can find yourself in jail even if there’s no real evidence to support it.
01:31:19:29 – 01:31:30:08
Seth
That’s just how some of these states are operating, which is really scary. So, no, I can’t imagine being put in jail for four days when my email was spoofed and didn’t even realize it. That’s fucking crazy to me.
01:31:30:11 – 01:31:59:05
Keith
Absolutely crazy. And you just you think, Whoa, that’s crazy. But then him spoofing emails from police officers, it was like, if I could make an analogy, I imagine if Jason Leidel was walking through the forest and there was a hornet’s nest over his head, he would punch it. Like that’s exactly what he did when he sent a spoofed email to police officers, especially with the racist tones and all that kind of crap that he put in there.
01:31:59:07 – 01:32:15:15
Keith
He punched a hornet’s nest. And I’m pretty sure somewhere along the line, some police officer somewhere was like, Hold my beer. This is what we do. And they they really started. They really did an investigation of what those spoofed emails were, and it ended up being attributed back to Jason Leidel. Well, and.
01:32:15:15 – 01:32:42:06
Seth
If you think about it, I don’t use this term lightly, but his actions but even like within like, you know, the context of the verbiage he used outside of the misspellings. This is a sociopath, right? I mean, he was he’s he’s crazy. I mean, I know that sounds obvious, and I don’t want to use that term clinically, but I mean, somebody that’s that Mal, he has so much malfeasance built into what they want to do that’s really aggressive.
01:32:42:08 – 01:32:56:20
Keith
And he found somebody that was not bothered about his previous relationship. He found somebody that was actually really into it and wanted to help him with his into.
01:32:56:20 – 01:32:58:09
Seth
A Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
01:32:58:10 – 01:32:59:03
Keith
It was.
01:32:59:06 – 01:33:35:01
Seth
I’m very curious to see if she goes down with him or if she takes a significantly reduced sentence, because I do find it interesting that they don’t have an indictment against her yet. So the fact that a lot of the computer evidence also came specifically as government and government military computers and accounts is also really interesting. And I suspect that will also be problematic both for those institutions who need to now probably enforce significantly stronger security credentials and other kinds of security hardening.
01:33:35:03 – 01:33:48:21
Seth
But I also think it’s going to bounce back on both, you know, Sarah Sorg and Jason Leidel for, you know, they’re not going to get off easier on this. It’s going to be worse. They should have been held to a higher standard.
01:33:48:23 – 01:34:07:23
Keith
So my last note here is not actually conclusion. I just wanted to open it up to you, Seth. I’ll give you my prediction first, but since we are in the trial phase for this and we’re just giving you the story as it comes out in the court paperwork and all this alleged I can ask the question, what do you think is going to happen later?
01:34:07:25 – 01:34:40:14
Keith
Now, I’ve thought about this a lot. I think Leidel is going to end up being convicted or pleading out one of the two, I think more likely convicted, less likely pleading out. He just seems like he is a fighter. But I think the key is going to be Sarah Sorg. And I think Sarah Sorg somewhere along the way, especially if you get them separate, is probably going to go back to her attorney roots and go, What the fuck am I doing?
01:34:40:17 – 01:35:03:27
Keith
And probable we start to cooperate somewhere because if you look at the two of them and you say, who is who would be more guilty? And I hate to even judge that much. Who, he had his hand in more crimes than she did. So I think it would be easier for her to roll and get out of this than it would be for him to roll and get out of this.
01:35:04:00 – 01:35:05:19
Keith
What do you think, Seth?
01:35:05:22 – 01:35:24:05
Seth
Oh, I think that’s right. However, a couple of things. I mean, I don’t know how madly in love she is with him. It’s almost like Harley Quinn on the Joker, right? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be, I think. Yeah. I mean, I think cooler heads are going to prevail. I think they’re going to say, look, you know, they’re probably both in their thirties.
01:35:24:07 – 01:35:41:23
Seth
She does have a legal degree. I think her career is over, but she doesn’t need to, you know, and if I recall, she does have children, so she wants to be able to see her kids. She’s going to want to stay out of jail as long as possible. So I suspect she’s going to roll on him hard and she’ll take a reduced sentence.
01:35:41:23 – 01:35:59:12
Seth
She’s not getting off scot free. I don’t think I don’t see any scenario where she doesn’t do some kind of time just because of her position. And she should have known better. But maybe she gets a year or something like that or something light she’ll serve six months and I think she’s going to roll on him hard. And I think he is.
01:35:59:15 – 01:36:13:25
Seth
I mean, if you’re him, they could probably stack up these charges to 100 years. So let’s say they put it together and offer him 20. He may be like, you know, I’d fuck that. I’d rather I’d rather, you know, go and take my take my chances with a jury. I don’t know how it’s going to work out well for him or not.
01:36:13:28 – 01:36:45:13
Seth
So I don’t know. I mean, from what we have no reason to think whatsoever that he’s a rational human or that he’s going to make a good choice. But I don’t know. Also, you know, we also don’t know the shenanigans or the political leanings when prosecutors cut deals. You know, there’s always a lot of unknowns. I mean, I’m just thinking, you know, all the media between our recording of this episode have been covering the Hunter Biden plea and people, you know, who are right leaning are up in arms, that he only got some, I guess, misdemeanor charges.
01:36:45:15 – 01:37:02:19
Seth
And I think other people are like, yeah, that makes sense. I don’t know the answer to that. I’m not getting into the politics of it. I’m just saying, you know, it would be a little bit of trying to predict the unknown or the impossible to understand why a prosecutor would go and accept a much lighter sentence or a much lighter plea.
01:37:02:21 – 01:37:28:06
Seth
Otherwise, I don’t know. But I don’t think I mean, they have so much on him and you know, the optics of it with the military, I don’t see him getting out for anything less than 15 to 20 years and that that’s assuming he cooperates. So I also suspect that he’s going to be a bit of an asshole. And this will play out longer because I think he’s going to basically not agree to anything until somebody finally is able to get through to him.
01:37:28:09 – 01:37:39:24
Seth
So I don’t think we’re going to have any kind of plea agreement or sentencing for a long time on this one. But I think he’ll be in jail in between. I don’t think they’re going to offer bail, especially since he tried to leave to Canada.
01:37:39:26 – 01:37:59:12
Keith
I’ll tell you one thing, if this guy fights it. This will be the first trial in history where there will be emails from one juror to the other spoofed by this motherfucker. Right? He’s going to be like, Fuck you, juror number one. He’s going to spoof an email from juror number three, being like, your baby’s ugly.
01:37:59:15 – 01:38:15:11
Seth
Yeah, This I mean, the fact that he was spoofing law enforcement, that’s to put it, as you said, the balls. I mean, I almost tip my hat to somebody because that kind of don’t give a fuck. Must be a wonderful way to live for a very short amount of time.
01:38:15:13 – 01:38:35:04
Keith
I and I, I try to put myself in the mind of everybody in these stories, from the criminals to the victims and and I’m just I can’t fathom what he must have thought. He either had to think he was smarter than the than the police officers, or he just didn’t give a fuck and he just knew he was going to get caught.
01:38:35:07 – 01:38:46:28
Keith
I don’t know if there’s much of a middle ground there because he tried to use something to cover up his tracks. He used that textnow service, but then he used his cell phone number as the registrant. Now, Well, that’s just it.
01:38:46:28 – 01:39:03:24
Seth
If you’re going to spoof people, you better be airtight in your you know, in how you do it, because to think you can get it, just get away with it is, I don’t know, arrogant. But then again, I’m not a criminal, so I don’t can’t get in the mind of a criminal. But yeah, I mean, I’m just very you know, we’ll keep an eye on this one and we’ll see.
01:39:04:00 – 01:39:30:14
Seth
Ultimately, for those of you who are hoping that he gets 50 years, you know, maybe we tend to usually see less than that, especially if he doesn’t have any priors. But there’s a lot to get here. And I also wouldn’t be shocked if they take this one where if they do offer him a very simple plea, whatever they can, I’m sure they’ll, you know, a good prosecutor always hold a couple of crimes in reserve so they can get him later.
01:39:30:16 – 01:39:37:10
Seth
So we’ll see where this goes anyway. I think that’s it. Keith, Tell everyone how to reach out to us.
01:39:37:12 – 01:40:05:16
Keith
Sure thing. The best way to get a hold of us or see any of our stuff is to go to our Web site. It’s eCrimeBytes, e, c, r i, m e, b, y y is in yellow milk, yellow t e s dot com. So up there, if you go to that site up across the top, if you’re on a desktop browser, you’re going to see all our social links and you’re going to see YouTube where you get the videos and all that kind of stuff.
01:40:05:18 – 01:40:26:27
Keith
If you’re on your phone, it looks slightly different. There’s a little three line hamburger up in the upper right hand corner that you click on, and then that top bar sort of pops down for you and you can choose from there and just go there and check things out. One of the things I’ve been doing is updating our glossary in the background with every episode, and we’ve been introducing these new terms.
01:40:26:29 – 01:40:49:24
Keith
Take a look at it. There’s a lot of new terms in there that probably weren’t in there if you looked at it somewhere around episode. I don’t know when we started. Seth Like episode seven maybe, Yeah. So yeah, check that out. Definitely. We got video. If you’re listening to this, check out our videos, We got the YouTube links up there and please do subscribe to us on your favorite podcasting app.
01:40:49:24 – 01:41:10:03
Keith
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01:41:10:05 – 01:41:23:25
Keith
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01:41:23:27 – 01:41:34:14
Seth
No, I think that’s it. Next episode will be our season one rundown. So stay tuned for that. And just we appreciate everybody watching and listening. Thank you.
01:41:34:17 – 01:41:42:16
Keith
Yeah, definitely do. And right after that will have a action packed season number two. So until then, we’ll see you on
01:41:42:16 – 01:41:46:01
Keith
episode 20. All right, Thanks. Bye.
01:41:46:03 – 01:41:47:10
Seth
Thanks.
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