eCrimeBytes S 1 Ep 19 Pt 1: A Couple Who Cyberstalks Together, Faces Charges Together

Sit back and listen to a story where Jason Leidel and his new significant other, Sarah Sorg, allegedly stalked his ex-wife mercilessly. Why stop at his ex-wife? Wait until you see the group of people they allegedly called their victims.

Leidel and Sorg definitely give Dr. “ShitBag” Ronald Ilg (S 1 Ep 10 Pt 1 & S 1 Ep 10 Pt 2) a run for his money!

I first touched on this couple in:

Naval Officer And Senior Government Trial Attorney Arrested For Cyberstalking – eCrimeBytes Nibble #11

Sources:

Chapters:

0:00 Intro
5:40 Meet Jason Leidel
7:12 Leidel’s Education
9:34 Academic Suspension
10:23 SF-86 Omission
11:36 Dr Leidel?
14:38 Plagairism?
16:02 Leidel’s Marriage
17:38 The Fake Affair
19:16 Leidel Gets Sloppy
23:51 Leidel Gets Sloppy Again
28:13 Leidel Contacts Ex-Wife’s Potential Employer
32:32 Leidel Cannot Write
39:43 The Fake Planned Parenthood Email
45:00 Leidel Harasses Ex-Wife’s New Husband
50:18 CPS Gets Involved
57:14 More Spoofed Emails From ex-Wife To Himself
1:03:49 Leidel Wins emergency Custody!
1:06:54 Faking Military Medical Records
1:12:45 Physicians Back Up Ex-Wife

Transcript:

00:00:11:19 – 00:00:36:27
Keith
Hey, welcome to eCrimeBytes Season one Episode 19. This one is called A Couple who cyberstalks together, faces charges together. Now, I tried to save one of the craziest cases I’ve researched for the last episode of our season, and we’re doing a season is each half of the year.

00:00:36:27 – 00:01:30:17
Keith
So season one is first half 2023. Season two will be second, half 2023. This is the closer of our season one and it’s going to be two parts because there’s no way you can address what happened here in an hour by itself. They do so much stuff. So we’re going to go ahead and get right into the case details here. Now, the technology in this case, there’s actually some stuff I learned about that I didn’t realize was out there. There’s email, which I knew about that. But email is going to be one of the main tools that the top criminal here is going to be using to do his dirty deeds. There’s another system that this is the one that I didn’t even know really existed, but it’s a court mandated child custody messaging system.

00:01:30:17 – 00:01:56:26
Keith
So I guess for parents that probably can’t get along just with standard text messages they put ya into this system that you got to communicate with that the court can see. So that way, if one person is abusive towards the other person it’s documented. And then we also see text messages here as well. Do you want to take the crime Seth?

00:01:56:26 – 00:02:19:05
Seth
Sure. So there’s a bunch we got cyberstalking we have impersonating an officer or someone in law enforcement, the falsification of numerous documents. And then we listed smoking weed. However, that’s becoming less and less illegal, depending on where you currently sit.

00:02:19:07 – 00:02:28:05
Keith
Federally. Federally. Because federally, yes, I will tell you, the criminals are the.

00:02:28:07 – 00:02:31:04
Seth
Both departments say they’re both federal employees right.

00:02:31:07 – 00:02:34:22
Keith
Now. I was going to say gentlemen here, but I don’t I don’t even want to say that.

00:02:34:23 – 00:02:44:06
Seth
Now, to be clear, we could have titled we could have titled this episode a couple of shit bags, which isn’t is as lovely as your chosen title.

00:02:44:08 – 00:03:05:02
Keith
So the criminals here, the male of the pair is a Navy officer, and then the female of the pair is a Department of Transportation senior lawyer. And they start out by picking on this officer’s ex-wife together.

00:03:05:04 – 00:03:30:13
Seth
That’s understating it. Yeah. So who are the victims here? While we noted our Navy officer, his name is Jason. We’ll come back to his details. This is the main victim would be his ex-wife. Several kids, several friends were definitely victimized here. I would definitely say that their joint children I think there are two minors also were definitely victimized here as well.

00:03:30:15 – 00:03:31:13
Seth
Why this case, Jones?

00:03:31:13 – 00:03:50:20
Keith
And well before that, I will say upfront that we’re not going to say who the ex-wife’s name is. We’re just going to call her. We’re just going to say ex-wife through the whole episode, just because in the court paperwork, they don’t identify her as well. It just some initials. And her first initial is E, so just think ex-wife.

00:03:50:20 – 00:04:11:28
Keith
And that’s how we’re going to address her from here on out. So I picked this case because, well, buy a hat and hold the fuck on. Because just when you think you go, Oh my God, that is horrible. Buckle up. Because right around the corner there’s going to be something that’s going to be even more horrible. And that trend will continue all the way through both parts.

00:04:12:05 – 00:04:14:23
Keith
There’s never a point where it really ends.

00:04:14:25 – 00:04:33:16
Seth
You know, I found this case interesting in that, like you hear cyberstalking. And for me, it kind of associates with, you know, how bad things can get with like bullying with kids. Right. You know, when I was a kid, you got bullied. It was in person. Now it’s almost worse because people can be bullied both physically and then online.

00:04:33:19 – 00:04:52:05
Seth
And, you know, this maybe we’ll do some cases on that in next season, but when it’s adults, it you know, it moves to the fully illegal phase. And if you think about how much damage one can do, if they’re really dedicated to doing it, to really putting a huge burden if not ruining somebody’s life. And that’s really what this one got to.

00:04:52:05 – 00:05:10:28
Seth
I mean, it’s funny because it’s so crazy that somebody could be that angry and disgruntled and the steps that somebody would take with clearly too much free time in his naval officer job. But we’ll learn why it’s more egregious than that. This dude was really a bad person in a lot of different ways.

00:05:10:28 – 00:05:33:15
Keith
He does he does so much stuff that the very first comment after Seth reviewed the material and we talked about it, Seth said: How does this guy have so much time like he does so much destruction in that you’d have to spend hours upon hours upon hours researching the best ways of doing it and then doing it. And it’s crazy.

00:05:33:15 – 00:05:37:22
Keith
So just just buckle up, is all we’re saying.

00:05:37:25 – 00:05:39:26
Seth
Yep.

00:05:39:28 – 00:06:18:20
Keith
So I want to introduce you to the male half of the duo here. His name is Jason Michael Leidel, and he’s an active duty, or I should say, he was. He was active duty commissioned officer in the U.S. Navy. He lives in Silver Spring, Maryland. So that’s right around the corner from where I live. I mean, it’s probably less than an hour if traffic is not holding you up and he has an ex now, an ex-wife they met in 2014.

00:06:18:20 – 00:06:22:01
Keith
They married in 2000. But back that up.

00:06:22:04 – 00:06:23:12
Seth
Yeah.

00:06:23:14 – 00:06:40:06
Keith
2004, they married in 2005 and they had two children, which my understanding at least when the court proceedings happened, they were minor so they weren’t mentioned either. We’re not going to mention them. But I do know that while we’re

00:06:40:06 – 00:06:45:29
Keith
describing all this shenanigans and shit that they’re doing, there’s two kids involved here, too.

00:06:46:01 – 00:06:48:23
Seth
Two young children. Right.

00:06:48:25 – 00:07:03:09
Keith
So you’re going to find out that Jason Leidel is a we used to call Dr. Ronald Ilg the Shitbag, but this guy, we’re going to come up with a new term because he’s definitely in the shitbag range. Well.

00:07:03:11 – 00:07:08:02
Seth
You can almost call him a Dr. Shitbag, but I don’t think he made it right.

00:07:08:05 – 00:07:30:12
Keith
He definitely didn’t make it because let’s talk about the first thing he did. And I tried to cut parts of this episode because we have two parts. I tried to cut chunks of this out because he did so much stuff and this is one of those things I thought about cutting out, but I’m going to put it in here because I think it sets up the stage for what type of person we’re going to be dealing with.

00:07:30:12 – 00:07:59:21
Keith
The rest of his life. Which is his academic background. And I almost in the court documents, I almost went past these pages just to get to the crime. And I’m glad I didn’t, because in that time range, when he met his ex-wife and they got married. So we’re talking like 2003, 2009, he was assigned as the United States Air Force 88th Med Operations Squadron at White Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

00:07:59:23 – 00:08:25:25
Keith
And I understood the med operations to be medical. And I think you will see later on that there’s some documentation that involves medical records. So that kind of ties in. So Leidel, back then he had attended the University of Kentucky’s College of Dentistry from 2009 through 2011 under a U.S.N. scholarship, which.

00:08:25:29 – 00:08:47:01
Seth
Is, by the way, just at that level. Yeah, U.S. Navy, which is kind of weird, right, because he went into the U.S. Air Force and did his time there. And then he it looks like after that, he went to the University of Kentucky in the College of Dentistry, which is impressive from 29 to the summer, but under a different scholarship.

00:08:47:01 – 00:09:06:11
Seth
I’m assuming U.S. is U.S. Navy. I don’t know if there is kind of parity between one branch of the military. The other two offer scholarships. It doesn’t really matter. But he was definitely there on, you know, after he served his time in the in the Air Force, rather, he was in college dentistry at U of K. We’ll come back to this.

00:09:06:13 – 00:09:21:07
Keith
Yeah. And I did think it was weird that they went from Air Force to Navy. But definitely by the end of his career he was Navy officer. So I don’t know if there’s like some process where he’s able to switch or people are able to switch. But they mentioned Air Force in the early 2000s and later on it’s the Navy.

00:09:21:07 – 00:09:22:18
Keith
So just either way with.

00:09:22:18 – 00:09:32:06
Seth
Us, either way, it’s an impressive it’s an impressive background, to be sure at that point. So here’s what we learned and this is from the court documents. Keith, do you want to go or you want to take this?

00:09:32:08 – 00:09:33:13
Keith
Nah, go ahead.

00:09:33:15 – 00:09:50:29
Seth
So in May of 2011, Jason Leidel was placed on academic suspension. Why? He submitted a false document during an honor code hearing. So understand what that means. There’s a lot to unpack here. I mean.

00:09:51:02 – 00:09:52:09
Keith
We’re just getting started too!

00:09:52:12 – 00:10:20:08
Seth
Right? That means he did something that triggered a hearing about him violating the honor code. And then during the hearing, he submitted a document that was false. And then you learn that this was his second academic integrity violation at the University of Kentucky. So his academic suspension was effective for two years until 2013. And before that completed, he actually withdrew from the program at the end of January of 2012.

00:10:20:11 – 00:10:23:10
Keith
However, this is important. This is important.

00:10:23:13 – 00:10:49:20
Seth
On his electronic questionnaire for investigations processing. It’s a specific form called SF 86 for the Department of Defense Security clearance. He had to submit that back way back well after the fact. In 2015, he answered no to the following group of questions, referencing his time at the University of Kentucky for this employment. Have any of the following happened to you in the last seven years?

00:10:49:27 – 00:11:19:18
Seth
Have you been fired? Have you Have you quit after being told you would be fired? Have you left by mutual agreement following charges of allegations of misconduct? That’s the big one. Left by mutual agreement following notice of unsatisfactory report. Basically, they want to know why did you leave and whether under any negative circumstances. And the specific one was called out left by either mutual agreement following charges or allegations of misconduct or that he was fired, definitely falls into one of those.

00:11:19:18 – 00:11:36:06
Seth
He said no. Now, to be fair, though, Jones, as I’m reading it as a lawyer, there’s nothing on there that specifically talks about academic suspension or full withdrawal. So he could argue he was directionally not wrong, although was sure that wouldn’t pass muster anywhere.

00:11:36:06 – 00:12:09:18
Keith
All right. So we alluded to the fact that he would become a doctor or was trying to become a doctor and he’s in this dentistry program and I’m not aware if he’s a medical doctor bound at this point or anything. But he went he definitely went to try to get his Ph.D.. Now, the Ph.D, this is a process I’ve gone through, and when you go through it, it’s kind of like the SF 86 where they say, Give us all your educational background of everything you’ve done.

00:12:09:20 – 00:12:42:12
Keith
Give us all your transcripts. And you know, in most cases it’s official transcripts. But Leidel, in his case, he included an unofficial transcript. And the unofficial transcript he included was the one before he left the University of Kentucky. So let me recap again. He’s applying for a Ph.D. program at this place called Uniformed Services University for Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland.

00:12:42:15 – 00:12:59:28
Keith
He’s applying there. They say, Give us your educational background. He says, I went to University of Kentucky. Here’s a transcript. He gives them a transcript before he dropped out of the program because of honor issues.

00:13:00:00 – 00:13:26:01
Seth
Right. And by the way, it does state on that unofficial transcript that he withdrew seven years earlier from by the end of it, because this was in 20 2019 and then very early of 2012, he withdrew from University Kentucky, before they could throw him out. And it does state that he withdrew. So we learned he was not accepted to the Uniformed Services University on this attempt.

00:13:26:03 – 00:13:51:21
Keith
Yep. And I actually smushed two things together. And thanks for keeping me honest here, Seth. He actually applied twice. Okay. The first time he applied, they didn’t accept him because he gave them the transcript that Seth just described that had the bad information at the bottom. Well, later on, he applied again. This time it doesn’t have the negative information at the bottom.

00:13:51:24 – 00:14:28:02
Keith
He was accepted into the Ph.D. program at U. S. U. H. S, and he reported for his assignment in June of 2018. Now, when they talk to investigators later on, when you find out all the shitty things this guy did and they went back and they talked to the administration at the school and the school said they couldn’t imagine any circumstance which they would admit a candidate if they knew there was a prior dismissal slash withdrawal due to an academic integrity issue.

00:14:28:05 – 00:14:37:08
Keith
So already in the story, Jason Leidel is starting out with a negative a negative like he can’t even go through school without trying to game the system.

00:14:37:08 – 00:15:11:27
Seth
So during his time when he was admitted for his PhD candidacy at the US, USUHS Jason was placed under review by the institution for plagiarism. That’s generally a no no. He was given a remediation plan by the school, but the institution determined that Jason did not successfully complete the requirements of said remediation plan. As such, they commenced the process to remove him from the program and again before 2020, before being removed for cause, he withdrew.

00:15:12:03 – 00:15:26:04
Seth
So this is now a pattern of he gets accepted into a place. Academic institution has integrity, honor, code type issues. They look to throw him out and he says, You can’t throw me out. I’m going to leave.

00:15:26:04 – 00:15:28:17
Keith
You can’t break up with me. I break up with you right?

00:15:28:22 – 00:15:49:15
Seth
And I mean, I guess to some regards that just smart play so he can say he was never actually dismissed, that he left on his own accord. The fact that it happened twice, it’s not so great. So you know, I can see how him being a bit of a bitter person where, you know, he feels the academic world did not do him right.

00:15:49:18 – 00:15:55:21
Seth
But we’re going to see how this plays out in his personal life. And it’s it’s fairly aggressive.

00:15:55:23 – 00:16:18:20
Keith
Yeah. Already we’re seeing just his academic life right there. We could have had his story in his academic life. But let’s get to his marriage because this is the meat of what happens in this story. So we talked to you earlier and we said that he met his wife and they got married in the early 2000 range of somewhere between like 2003, 2005 era.

00:16:18:22 – 00:16:44:06
Keith
So if we fast forward to closer to now, it’s now June 2018, Leidel’s marriage begins to break down. Okay. All they say in the paperwork, they don’t say why or anything like that, but I imagine, do you see how this guy talks to her and stuff? I imagine he’s probably not easy to live with because on July 1st she moves out permanently.

00:16:44:06 – 00:17:10:22
Keith
So that’s about a month afterwards, August 1st, which is another month afterwards, she moves to Virginia Beach, Virginia, with the kids. Now, if you’re not familiar, even with the U.S., but like my area here on the East Coast, Maryland and Virginia, touch. So they’re not that far away. So Virginia Beach, Virginia, is an easy I wouldn’t say an easy drive, but it’s a drive from Maryland.

00:17:10:22 – 00:17:37:23
Keith
It’s not like she moved all the way across the country and he can’t see the kids and all that kind of stuff. They’re within driving distance of each other. And that’s going to play a role later on this distance things. And that’s why I’m telling you this now. Now, one last note. She the ex-wife works as a teacher, so I can’t imagine she’s a terrible, terrible person working as a teacher.

00:17:37:23 – 00:17:52:03
Seth
Let’s flash forward to middle of June 2018, The Fake Affair. We learned that Mr. Leidel created an email address called Johnny on the Spot 2017 at Gmail, which is hilarious, by the way.

00:17:52:06 – 00:18:13:25
Seth
So this is a site excuse me website email address that Leidel created that supposedly belonged to a person that he accused his ex-wife of having an affair with. And that’s really important because it gave him an impetus or or a vessel to start basically harassing and frankly, abusing his ex-wife.

00:18:13:25 – 00:18:22:08
Seth
So Leidel compromised his ex wife account, which was from a domain called Rising Ridge, probably the school system.

00:18:22:08 – 00:18:36:22
Keith
I assume that’s not the domain. That’s that’s just the handle we will all call it rising Ridge. It’s they didn’t give us the whole email because it’s private to her, but they gave you the rising ridge part and the rest was redacted. So it was.

00:18:36:22 – 00:19:00:05
Seth
Called the I thought it was a domain. So yeah, so that was her handle anyway. But we know it was him because first he sent a test email between the two accounts and then he started. This is a cyberstalking, faking emails between the two accounts. Pretending to have an affair. This was ostensibly to provide evidence to a future court appearance to say, Look, she’s terrible, she’s cheating on me or was cheating on me.

00:19:00:05 – 00:19:05:25
Seth
It’s fairly insidious. So, Keith, tell us what the court docs show us.

00:19:05:27 – 00:19:30:04
Keith
So we’re just scratching the surface here, okay. He’s faking this affair between his ex-wife and this guy. If you were a bad guy, Seth, you would probably make sure you didn’t have any evidence that you had access to either rising ridge or this Johnny on the spot right? I mean, that would be like one of your first things on your mind.

00:19:30:04 – 00:19:50:22
Keith
You’d say, I’m a criminal if I ever get caught. I don’t want to be in possession of anything that has to do with Johnny on the spot or rising ridge. Right. Well, this fucker sent stuff to his official D.O.D. user email Jason Leidel. And it has the school name dot edu. And I’m not going to give you the domain.

00:19:50:24 – 00:20:16:07
Keith
And it has correspondence between Johnny on the spot and rising ridge. So this pretend affair that he set up has made its way into his D.O.D. work or school email account. So it’s not even like a personal account or organizational account. So this is a big deal evidence wise. He can’t just say, I don’t know anything about it.

00:20:16:07 – 00:20:26:02
Keith
Now he’s got to say, I don’t know anything about it. And let me think of a good reason why all this shit in my email, in my my DOD email. Yeah.

00:20:26:02 – 00:20:53:00
Seth
the email stated and contained screenshots which could only been accessed by someone with the ability to log into his ex-wife’s account after its credentials had been changed. So let’s read this email that he created and planted basically. So this is from Johnny on the spot 2017 at Gmail and the subject is Make it Gone.

00:20:53:02 – 00:21:11:29
Seth
And this is to Rising Fox, which I guess is another handle for the rising ridge. This is basically to his ex-wife. And there’s lots of interesting little typos and grammatical errors in here that I’m not sure are on purpose or he’s just not great with with typing.

00:21:12:02 – 00:21:26:21
Keith
But this whole email called Make It Gone is actually talking about destroying evidence, which is really interesting because I don’t think he even did this process when he was caught, you know what I’m saying?

00:21:26:24 – 00:21:53:04
Seth
Right. And it talks about just in case you’re logging into a computer he may have access to. You want to make sure he doesn’t have access to what your email address is. If you are reading this and you just logged into a computer, he has access to follow the pictures below. So there are screenshots he added to this email about how to do this, which is really weird about in terms of going to settings and browser history and clearing the browser history and cache.

00:21:53:06 – 00:22:19:03
Seth
So he doesn’t try to see what email accounts you have logged into and to prevent, to erase the sorry, to prevent having to erase the browser history afterwards. You can always just log into Google Chrome browser things along those lines in terms of deleting email history. And there’s screenshots with how to do it and in order this is first, then do this, this is second.

00:22:19:05 – 00:22:23:11
Seth
Very, very detailed. Very, very strange.

00:22:23:14 – 00:22:44:17
Keith
Yeah. You know what? Let me pop these pop these screenshots up for our video people right now. Right in the video here. Well, first of all, let me show you a picture of Jason Leidel because I didn’t do that up front. This is him. This is I would assume this is his driver’s license photo because it doesn’t look like a mug shot per se.

00:22:44:17 – 00:22:53:11
Keith
It looks like not driver’s license, blue background, but he looks like somebody in the Navy. He has almost no hair shaved off and he’s youngish.

00:22:53:11 – 00:22:56:08
Keith
All right, there are the screenshots.

00:22:56:10 – 00:23:21:23
Keith
So what Seth was reading you is this email that I have on your screen right now and it’s basically he’s faking that his ex-wive’s supposed lover is sending his ex-wife instructions on how to delete her browser history. So that way he, Jason Leidel, doesn’t catch her, I guess. And then it goes on like Seth says. And here’s some screenshots.

00:23:21:23 – 00:23:49:00
Keith
Here’s one and two. It shows you go into Google, click on this, click on that, and then go up here. Click on that remove account. Yes, remove. And it just shows you how to like basically take your Google account out of the browser. And if you kind of read between the lines, it sounds like to keep herself safe from the ex-husband who’s the guy faking this whole communication to begin with!

00:23:49:02 – 00:23:50:25
Seth
Yeah, that’s crazy.

00:23:50:25 – 00:24:18:08
Keith
All right. So based upon records provided by Apple, Yahoo, Meta and all these accounts that you’re going to hear about, and we don’t I’m only giving you the highlights. But imagine all these accounts. Most times when you create them, they come to you and say, I want to make sure you’re a human. And it’s not just captcha that they’re giving you to prove that you’re human.

00:24:18:10 – 00:24:25:29
Keith
They want you to attach to a mobile phone, for instance. In all these important accounts, Jason Leidel

00:24:25:29 – 00:24:48:03
Keith
uses an email address of Leidel at AOL dot com. And furthermore, he would then go to these accounts and then verify them with his cell phone number, which ends in 2915. And I’m just telling you that number in case it comes up again, I don’t believe it will, but it’s his main number that gets associated with all these accounts.

00:24:48:06 – 00:25:09:24
Keith
So if you back up from an evidence standpoint, he’s being pretty sloppy. We see that he’s sent correspondence that he doesn’t want to be associated with to his DOD account just previously. And now we’re seeing him attach a phone number that you would have to be, you know, physically present to get you know, you have to get that phone number.

00:25:09:24 – 00:25:22:26
Keith
You have to pay for it. It’s not like you can say a hacker in Romania did this. It’s your phone number that you have physical access to. So this is another point where he he got sloppy.

00:25:22:28 – 00:25:43:26
Seth
Well, and it’s a consistent approach. You’ll see throughout these documents and throughout this podcast that any time he tried basically a cyberstalking attempt but doing it under auspices that it was somebody else, it was fairly easily tracked back to a personal phone or a personal account that he had created and tested on. So he was not very good at hiding his tracks here.

00:25:43:28 – 00:26:09:10
Seth
So we learned that a review of his DOD account showed that in 2018, that account received an email from a Leidel at AOL dot com, another personal email account of his containing the account login credentials for his wife’s account with the subject forward of Yo Yo Jesus.

00:26:09:12 – 00:26:29:04
Keith
And there’s a screenshot in the court paperwork that it does. It says subject yo. And I’m not even going to show you because it’s so short. It basically has the password in there. But it’s not the password because it says password redacted. And you would say, why even shown me this. Keith Right.

00:26:29:04 – 00:26:39:01
Keith
So later on, when investigators have caught up to him they review an iPhone that he’s in possession of, that is his iPhone.

00:26:39:01 – 00:26:53:00
Keith
so on this iPhone, when they did a forensic review of the iPhone, they found information on it that there was the compromised email information on it for his ex-wife’s Apple account.

00:26:53:02 – 00:27:27:24
Keith
So even again, if you throw that evidence out that we talked about earlier, where he was sloppy, now we have evidence on his phone that shows he’s a possession of the compromised credentials or the username of the password for his ex-wife’s accounts. This one is her at her Apple account. The ex-wife also indicated that her Microsoft email account, you know, I imagine this ends with like, you know, MSN or Hotmail or something along those lines was also compromised.

00:27:27:26 – 00:27:56:24
Keith
Why am I telling you about all these accounts? Because there’s probably tons of accounts we don’t even know about. And this guy is just going out there and he’s getting his hands on all his ex-wife’s data that she thinks she normally would think is private. He has access to. And this is kind of a big deal because that gives him enough information where he can start to cyberstalk her without her directly giving him information.

00:27:56:24 – 00:27:59:00
Keith
If he can just log in and read stuff.

00:27:59:03 – 00:27:59:22
Seth
Right.

00:27:59:24 – 00:28:00:26
Keith
So that leads us.

00:28:01:03 – 00:28:01:11
Seth
Right.

00:28:01:17 – 00:28:08:02
Keith
Least to more shitbag things I’ve ever heard of. And I you to tell us about this, Seth. Yeah, so.

00:28:08:02 – 00:28:26:08
Seth
That was a little dry. I get it. But that was kind of just giving you a lot of setup as to how did he commit the crime, right? How did he gain access to her accounts and spoof her and stuff like that? But now what did he do with it? So now he starts contacting her employer, keeping in mind that she is potential potentially.

00:28:26:08 – 00:28:41:08
Seth
Right. So she was looking for a new role, a new job at a different school. And I want everyone who is listening to kind of think about somebody doing this to you and how that, you know, how pissed should be. So the court documents state that records provided by Yahoo! Which by the way, is very hard to get.

00:28:41:15 – 00:29:22:04
Seth
One of the main email carriers like that to be subpoenaed and give them meaningful information. But the way they got it, Yahoo! Showed that. I had a hard time with this this email address, hook and mermaid at Yahoo! Which was one created by Jason Leidel in late August or mid August, rather, of 2018, and ex-wife permanently separated and one day before sending fraudulent communications to the ex-wife’s former supervisor who was the principal of the elementary school in Virginia Beach.

00:29:22:07 – 00:29:33:18
Seth
And they also verified a recovery phone number which matched Jason Leidel’s primary cell phone number. So we know that it was his you know, that he’s tied to this hooker and made Yahoo! Account. That’s really important.

00:29:33:18 – 00:30:09:02
Keith
She continued to search for employment. Imagine she just moved there, right? Seth? Yeah. And one of the first things you’re going to do if you break up with somebody is you need some kind of funds, right? You’re going to probably be looking for employment at this new spot. So she’s out there looking for the job. And between August 14th of 2018, August 29th of 2018, this person at the school where she’s applying to starts receiving emails from this hook and Mermaid at Yahoo.com.

00:30:09:03 – 00:30:35:24
Keith
And this is just so batshit crazy. This it just accuses her of so much stuff. We have the email here and I’m just going to read you some highlights here. This is to I guess it’s the administrator of the school and it’s coming from Hook and Mermaid and the subject is moral compass of your new teacher and it says Principal Does Virginia Beach public schools have a moral compass?

00:30:35:26 – 00:31:05:00
Keith
Personal Ethics Requirement. One of your teachers has been carrying on an extramarital affair with another man. This other man is in the military, probably not the best vantage for your school’s demographics. Just saying I have sexually explicit emails plus phone records that corroborate that The two authors of these emails, our whom I claim. If you wonder why I’m stumbling, this guy cannot spell for shit.

00:31:05:03 – 00:31:13:07
Keith
So I’m doing my best here people. If you saw. Hold on a second. Let me just put this on the screen, because this is just a piece of work.

00:31:13:07 – 00:31:47:05
Keith
There it is. All right, So I was at the bottom, that first paragraph for you, people watching and the video, and it says, I have sexually explicit emails plus phone records that corroborate that the two authors of these emails who are who I claim the woman happens to work for you. The other man’s army chain of command are spelling are currently reviewing these same emails and have considered filing charges to remove the man from the army.

00:31:47:07 – 00:31:59:25
Keith
If you or the district want this information, let me know. Oh my God. He can’t even spell know right, he spells it N O. And I’ll send you what I have. Callsign, hook and mermaid,

00:31:59:25 – 00:32:26:02
Seth
That’s awful. I know what to say about it. So we get a couple of days later, 2018, in August, an email from Hook and Mermaid commending the Virginia Beach Public Schools for withdrawing its offer of employment to his ex-wife. He actually stated, I heard that Virginia Beach School stepped up and withdrew its offer of employment for this unethical teacher.

00:32:26:05 – 00:32:32:01
Seth
Y’all are slowing. I think he meant showing regaining my confidence in your system,

00:32:32:01 – 00:32:38:29
Keith
Seth. Seth. I figured out why this guy had to do plagiarism and why.

00:32:39:02 – 00:32:39:22
Seth
Yeah, he.

00:32:39:22 – 00:32:53:12
Keith
Had academic issues. Just reading, like, two fucking emails from this guy, and I want to claw my eyes out. I know. It’s like he had to steal other people’s work because he can’t spell anything.

00:32:53:15 – 00:33:01:00
Seth
Yeah, but what’s interesting is here how easily the authorities were able to trace it right back to him.

00:33:01:02 – 00:33:21:21
Keith
Yeah. So when they had his Dell computer later on, they went and looked at it and said, Hey, is there any evidence of this hook and mermaid on here? And what do you know, there was. Jason Leidel successfully authenticated from his Dell Computer to this hook in Mermaid. So this

00:33:21:21 – 00:33:34:20
Keith
facade or this pretend situation that he’s trying to put across with some pretend lover that his ex-wife is in communication with is actually just something that he’s faking.

00:33:34:20 – 00:33:38:20
Keith
And now the authorities can prove it through his computer.

00:33:38:23 – 00:34:09:18
Seth
Right. So August 21 of 2018, Jason Leidel writes an email from his AOL account, this time to his D.O.D. email address with the subject burner phone. And again, this is supposed to, I think, be to the Virginia Beach Public Schools. I Keith, you wanna read this? Want me to read it? This was this is crazy.

00:34:09:18 – 00:34:23:02
Keith
So basically this email and I’m not going to read this email all the way through. It was a really creepy email and I wanted to talk about it just for one reason, is he’s sending it from one of his accounts to one of other of his accounts.

00:34:23:02 – 00:34:49:27
Keith
So there’s no school involved here. But what you see is sort of like a form letter for a school letting his ex-wife know that she can’t have the job, which is really fucking weird. I couldn’t understand why he would be sending this to himself. So I’m wondering, did you know, did he send this to school and says, Hey, you can use this to fire her or what it was.

00:34:49:27 – 00:34:55:25
Keith
But you can see this guy had a lot of time on his hands to harass his ex-wife.

00:34:55:28 – 00:34:57:01
Seth
Yeah, for sure.

00:34:57:01 – 00:35:07:29
Seth
So in 2019, this escalates. Early February of 2019, an email was sent to the specific elementary school principal,

00:35:07:29 – 00:35:15:15
Seth
And the contents of the email included allegations against the ex-wife to the Virginia Beach Public School.

00:35:15:18 – 00:35:44:26
Seth
The email stated that the ex-wife had an affair, became pregnant, aborted the child abused prescription drugs, as well as neglected children. I’m going to interject and say even if any of that were true, it’s all really, really private and the school would be illegal, the illegally operating if they were to action on any of it. The email also included their link to a dating profile of a purported to be ex-wife with language that supported these claims and the email

00:35:44:26 – 00:35:46:18
Seth
also included several attachments.

00:35:46:18 – 00:36:07:00
Seth
And these attachments were purported to be conversations to support the allegations that were made against the ex-wife. So who would believe that somebody would send an email on behalf of themselves outing themselves as being, you know, generally a unfit parent or somebody who’s on drugs or things along those lines. It’s kind of crazy.

00:36:07:02 – 00:36:30:20
Keith
But that’s well, and I will clarify, it’s not from her to her. It’s from this another spoofed account out there on the Internet that Leidel made to a school about her. But he ratchets it up. It’s not just, you know, she’s dating a military man now. He’s doing, you know, prescription drugs, abortion and all this other stuff that he thinks will get her fired.

00:36:30:22 – 00:36:58:21
Keith
Right. So he’s basically as she’s trying to get more work because she’s having difficulty, obviously, because he keeps stalking her, he then like Whac-A-Mole goes over to another school and will send this stuff and just make it even worse. So she cannot find employment. And we could we could legitimately stop our episode here. We could stop it here and go, oh, my God, this is this is the most shitbaggy thing ever.

00:36:58:24 – 00:37:02:06
Keith
But this is just scratching the surface. Wait till you see what else they do to her.

00:37:02:06 – 00:37:29:27
Keith
There’s this person that we have been talking about that Leidel has been pretending that his ex-wife has been having an affair with. Okay? And I’m trying to shield you from all these different email addresses. There’s a bunch of different email addresses, but there’s this person and they refer to this person where they the investigators finally refer to this person with the initials of M Y.

00:37:30:00 – 00:37:42:16
Keith
I’m just telling you that in case I accidentally say it again later, there’s a spouse to MY that’s TY and we may mention TY later on as well because they come up over and over and over.

00:37:42:16 – 00:38:04:10
Keith
So one of the attachments in this email that sent to this school that’s trying to out the ex-wife is pretend communications with the ex-wife and this third party that he’s been sort of framing all along.

00:38:04:10 – 00:38:06:20
Keith
Are you with me so far to explain that? All right. Seth.

00:38:06:23 – 00:38:08:23
Seth
Yeah, I think that makes sense.

00:38:08:26 – 00:38:41:13
Keith
All right. Now in the email that’s in the attachment that he’s sending to the school to try to make sure his wife isn’t his ex-wife isn’t hired there I know that’s a lot to unpack, but there’s more in this email. He starts making references because, you know, he’s controlling all his data. He’s making references to sort of suicidal tendencies, which is going to get a lot of people’s attention in there.

00:38:41:13 – 00:39:04:22
Keith
Supposedly ex-wife has taken a full list of antidepressants and wash them down with a few margaritas. And she said in there, if I don’t wake up tomorrow, I need you to know the truth. And then the email goes on to state information about the affair that it was never supposed to get physical. And the more time they spent on the phone texting deeper in lust, and then I fell in love.

00:39:04:24 – 00:39:28:04
Keith
So imagine it’s like a confessional coming from the ex-wife while she’s supposedly dying about an affair that she’s having with this other man. And this random person on the Internet is sending it to the school so that she won’t get hired there. Oh, and there’s a tie into.

00:39:28:09 – 00:39:29:24
Seth
Talking, not to mention the tie.

00:39:29:25 – 00:39:43:03
Keith
Because this new email address actually signs off on it formally hook and mermaid. So now we have, you know, two dots that we could place together in these two two accounts, right?

00:39:43:05 – 00:40:12:19
Seth
The attachment that was sent to the the other elementary school’s principal also included a second email. And this email is reportedly sent from an account associated with the ex-wife. And it was sent to Johnny on the spot 2017, that Gmail account we talked about earlier, and the owner of the user account was purportedly the wife of the third party gentleman who the ex-wife was purportedly having an affair with.

00:40:12:22 – 00:40:27:04
Keith
I’m so sorry. We have to do this to you guys. We don’t have names. We should probably make up names. But there’s so there’s so many people involved. There’s this other couple that he’s his ex-wife is supposedly having an affair with. That’s who that’s trying to.

00:40:27:06 – 00:40:50:17
Seth
Well, not the couple, the husband. But she’s saying the husband also had sorry, the the other gentleman wife sent the initial deal. Right. The wife ex-wife’s boyfriend, let’s call him with the initials MY. He had a wife, apparently. And the email was started by referring to the purported owner of the user account by name and followed it with formerly known as Hook.

00:40:50:17 – 00:41:16:06
Seth
So that ties to the hook and mermaid email address and email references how the wife had to, quote, sit at Planned Parenthood alone with how to use the gross words. All right, crackheads, fat, loud N-words and lowlifes, which is spelled incorrectly to get an abortion. Yeah. The email stated that, by the way, it was a girl.

00:41:16:11 – 00:41:40:13
Seth
You had a daughter that you forced me to kill. She was killed, surrounded by high society. I don’t really understand what that means. Thrown out with the trash like crack whores and the rest of the black people, which is racist. It’s awful. And then it’s just corrects it no, the N words that were by my side, I mean, basically making her out to be an awful racist, fairly gross.

00:41:40:15 – 00:42:12:10
Seth
I mean really awful, awful stuff like this guy basically is trying to say one of the worst things I could articulate to a school, you know for a potential teacher to hire and try to hit it all in one shot.

00:42:12:10 – 00:42:18:09
Seth
I mean, it was really, really vile, vile shit here. I’m really going need a shower.

00:42:18:09 – 00:42:47:24
Keith
Oh, yeah, that. Oh, yeah. We’re not even we’re not even to the good stuff yet, people. Hang on. It got so later on and I’m sorry we have to jump around in time. This is one of those stories where I can’t do it totally chronologically because we find out things at different times. But later on, there’s a police department, the Virginia Beach Police Department interviewed this other couple, the one that Jason Leidel is accusing the male of

00:42:47:24 – 00:43:16:21
Keith
the other couple is the boyfriend to his ex-wife. If you’re following me, they’re all right. So the police department interviewed this other couple and the ex-wife probably to get to the bottom of this matter because there’s just such heinous shit being sent over email. They wanted to figure out who was sending emails from Hook and Mermaid at Yahoo.com and some other accounts that we’ve referenced that they own individually as well.

00:43:16:26 – 00:43:18:03
Keith
And Johnny on the spot.

00:43:18:03 – 00:43:38:25
Keith
The result of the interview was that all the parties were like, we didn’t write that shit. Where did that come from? So at some point that’s when law enforcement looked at probably the only other person in this picture and said, Well, who else well Jason Leidel, Who is that guy?

00:43:38:27 – 00:43:46:00
Keith
And they started focusing in on what he did. And that’s probably why we have information about his Dell computer and his iPhone and all that.

00:43:46:00 – 00:44:20:19
Seth
Well, clearly, yeah. Yeah, for sure. So now we’re flashing forward to 2020 where clearly things have ramped up and the principal of the elementary school, I guess, where either the ex-wife was working or was applying to work for received another email from a new account. This is a Yahoo account from a J. Michael 237 basically demanding a full investigation by the principal into the Yahoo Post about your racist and homophobic teacher calling her students my little retards.

00:44:20:19 – 00:44:30:09
Seth
Where you guys drawing the line from somebody named Michael Jones. Now we learned that this email didn’t actually come from Michael Jones.

00:44:30:12 – 00:44:44:09
Keith
Yeah like all the other you’re going to see this is a this is a trend. You’re going to see this trend all the time where you have and there’s so many accounts in here, we’re not even telling you all of them. There’s so many accounts he has made. This guy.

00:44:44:09 – 00:44:44:25
Seth
Has.

00:44:44:27 – 00:44:47:09
Keith
Really given you like the.

00:44:47:11 – 00:44:58:26
Seth
Guy was so intent on basically ruining the life of his ex-wife. He really was creating an issue and then following up on the issue all through spoofed emails. It’s kind of crazy.

00:44:58:28 – 00:45:28:02
Keith
And then you think, all right, if I’m Jason Leidel, I’m thinking I’ve harassed the shit out of my ex-wife, what could I do now? I’m going to harass my ex-wife’s new husband, right? Why not? So at some point, she gets married, remarried after they split, she marries somebody that is in the United States Marine Corps. So also a branch of the Navy.

00:45:28:02 – 00:45:48:00
Keith
He was an officer. So think, you know, he went through the same types of things as Jason Leidel did in order to be an officer in the military. He retired in 2021 after 21 years of active duty service. On April 7th, 2019

00:45:48:00 – 00:45:57:00
Keith
Colonel, And they don’t give his name, but there’s this colonel, a detachment commander from the United States

00:45:57:00 – 00:46:21:03
Keith
Marine Corps Dam Neck received an email to his DOD email account from this Michael John RS at mail dot com. And I can’t go through this whole email for you because it’s so goddamn long, but it starts out I mean, this this is sent from Leidel to harass his ex-wife’s.

00:46:21:06 – 00:46:21:22
Seth
New.

00:46:21:25 – 00:46:53:12
Keith
Husband by emailing his chain of command. And it basically accuses that husband of being involved, of having extramarital affairs with a married person That’s not his wife. And he’s trying to use this is basically a way to keep him keep him meaning the new husband, quote unquote, accountable. And he’s doing this He’s not doing this as Jason Leidel.

00:46:53:12 – 00:47:16:25
Keith
He’s doing this as this Michael fake account on the Internet. He’s and he just goes on and on and on is saying, you know, this guy is he’s basically saying this guy is a shitbag and he has extramarital affairs and he should be held accountable and nobody’s doing anything about it. And somebody needs to do something about it.

00:47:16:25 – 00:47:41:07
Seth
And but they’re also stating the emails. I’ll say, you know, that he’s a terrible officer and that how you know, he is, you know, insubordinate and thinks he’s better than his commander and really trying to ruin this guy’s entire military character and career, which I have to imagine is a crime. I don’t know enough about military law, but like I said, it’s not from a civilian, it’s from another military employee.

00:47:41:07 – 00:48:05:00
Seth
Right? So I have to imagine that that’s you know, that’s really illegal. I mean, that’s that’s, you know, slander, libel. But it’s also within the military. I wonder if that’s a specific crime. I don’t know. Well, well, we’ll get to that. But this was a fairly extensive email, not just accusing him of adultery and being fairly deviate, but also being, you know, a terrible officer in the military.

00:48:05:00 – 00:48:23:15
Keith
I would assume that this would be some type of crime. But I’ve learned one thing from military justice. It’s completely different than criminal justice that we deal with as laymen, not in the military. They have different types of attorneys and they have a different process.

00:48:23:15 – 00:48:41:11
Keith
And in some ways the way it’s been explained to me is not as maybe fair as we have in our, you know, layman criminal courts. But I would imagine, you know, especially if something happened to this new husband Leidel would have to be held accountable for this.

00:48:41:11 – 00:48:42:05
Keith
You have to be.

00:48:42:05 – 00:48:45:11
Seth
Yeah, well, time will tell on that.

00:48:45:13 – 00:48:55:10
Keith
And he signs it off as Michael Jones like he did in the other email with the Michael and his tagline under his name is Whistleblower and concerned taxpayer.

00:48:55:13 – 00:48:57:13
Seth
How honorable.

00:48:57:16 – 00:48:58:17
Keith
Yes.

00:48:58:19 – 00:49:35:21
Seth
So based upon records provided by the Internet service provider that was ultimately investigated, we learned that this this sender this you know Michael Michael that was sent in that had sent a note to the military was an IP address associated with the emails account creation consistent with the IP address of Jason Leidel’s home Internet service when his account was established back in 2017 and the most recent login activity in 2019 resolved to his DOD campus in Bethesda, Maryland, where he was employed.

00:49:35:21 – 00:49:48:16
Seth
So basically a very simple forensic backing into of the facts said, yeah, yup it was Jason Leidel. We can see that it was his home computer and that it was his address where he works. Furthermore,

00:49:48:16 – 00:49:59:08
Seth
The court found that there were false statements made to Child Protective Services. So if you thought that this couldn’t get any more, shitbaggy, it does.

00:49:59:08 – 00:50:18:13
Seth
So now we’ve got him engaging against harassment against his ex-wife, harassment against his ex-wife’s new husband, and now he’s now messing with his own kids. And this, I think, was really maybe the last straw on this shit bag level here. Keith, walk us through what’s what he’s did with CPS.

00:50:18:15 – 00:50:44:06
Keith
Well, he so what the court documents claim is that he exhibited a pattern of alienation of his two kids against his ex-wife, which just kind of blows my mind because it sounds like she’s an elementary school teacher. And you would think she would probably be the person you would want those minors kids with. But he tried to alienate them.

00:50:44:08 – 00:51:10:29
Keith
And why why did he do this? Well, one of the things that he was really pissed off about was she had claim to his military retirement income. Right. So he I don’t know how many times will mention it throughout. You know this part in the next part. But that’s kind of a theme that comes up. He’ll talk about the income in his rants and emails when he wants certain things.

00:51:11:01 – 00:51:17:27
Keith
So that’s sort of an underlying tone of one of the things that he wants and

00:51:17:27 – 00:51:28:29
Keith
so CPS, which is Child Protective Services, if you’re listeners from a different country, this is like an organization that will step in if they think kids are being abused in a home.

00:51:28:29 – 00:51:36:00
Keith
This organization, CPS, gets abused a lot by split families.

00:51:36:00 – 00:52:01:21
Keith
What happens typically is you have a father or a mother that are pissed off at each other and they will say the, other party did this to the kids. So that way the CPS people will come in to your home. You don’t have a choice. They come into your home, they will check it out. They’ll say like, for instance, you beat your kids or you’re not feeding them enough or you’re playing porn in the middle of the day and they can see it.

00:52:01:23 – 00:52:20:08
Keith
And a CPS officer will come in to see that the kids are fed, they have food, they have bed, their not, you know, they’re bathed, they’re not sleeping in their own feces or anything. Basically very minimal checks to make sure the kids are okay and then they leave.

00:52:20:15 – 00:52:21:07
Seth
But keep in mind.

00:52:21:07 – 00:52:22:04
Keith
Happens is but.

00:52:22:04 – 00:52:38:15
Seth
Hold up. But there’s this is more insidious than that. Right? So we talked in earlier episodes about swatting and how really fucked up that is. Right. And the idea is if you call emergency services on somebody else, say, I’m having a fire in my house, come, they have to go like it’s a civic duty. They have to go.

00:52:38:15 – 00:52:59:03
Seth
And I think, well, how do we know this really if they don’t have it? Because if somebody dies, God forbid, or gets injured because they didn’t respond, they have to respond. This is just like that. If CPS is called and I have several friends who have gone through divorce who have said it is absolutely like a a sword that somebody could draw or don’t make, we call CPS because whether it’s true or not, it doesn’t matter.

00:52:59:09 – 00:53:27:15
Seth
They have to come to your house. They have to look. Then they have to come back and do a recheck because anybody can clean up their kids and their act in an afternoon before CPS comes. So they have to do spot checks and it goes on a record. There’s a public record if you call CPS, CPS has been called on you and it could be called by anybody.

00:53:27:15 – 00:53:44:12
Seth
And, you know, it’s really kind of indicative of how deteriorated a relationship can become if one party calls CPS on another party for no reason other than to fuck with them.

00:53:44:14 – 00:54:02:17
Seth
And it’s really as a parent, I can tell you, you know, however much you might dislike your spouse or how angry you are with them, if you know the idea that your kid should be unimpacted, it is kind of important. So by calling CPS into play, you’re kind of indirectly or directly involving your kids in your shit.

00:54:02:19 – 00:54:21:02
Seth
And I feel very strongly about this so much as I feel like if you deserve to have CPS called on you, absolutely. But if you don’t, it’s equally insidious to call them falsely. So I apologize for interrupting you, Keith, but I wanted to proselytize a little bit there because I think it’s really an important point to see how fucked up that is.

00:54:21:05 – 00:54:49:03
Keith
And I’ve seen this in real life. I’ve seen this where the male ex partner would call CPS on the female ex-partner who had, you know, primary custody of the child. And it was just like Seth said, they show up unannounced. They don’t tell you they’re coming over to do an investigation. They just knock on your door. If you’re not there, they come back and hope that you’re there.

00:54:49:03 – 00:55:01:25
Keith
Another time. I mean, it’s going to happen. It’s not a a pleasant process for anybody being investigated, including the kids, because then they have to. That investigator has to talk to the kid alone and.

00:55:01:27 – 00:55:18:22
Seth
Yeah, Are you sure mommy doesn’t hit you? You know, Can you prove that she doesn’t hit you? I mean, it’s you know, and it gets into some really ethical issues, you know? I mean, none of us have not yelled at our children. I personally don’t hit my children. Some people do. Some people it’s part of their culture and all that comes up.

00:55:18:22 – 00:55:33:10
Seth
It’s like the worst part of Miranda. Anything you ever said or done can be used against you. And so it’s really an insidious thing to call CPS, especially if it’s really just out of anger or out of retaliation.

00:55:33:13 – 00:55:56:02
Keith
And Jason Leidel did. He did. He not only and this is one of the rare cases where he actually did it as himself talking to CPS, saying she did bad stuff, but he also sent his anonymous, you know, hooking mermaid Michael Jones. He did his usual spiel with the CPS department that he’s done with the elementary schools.

00:55:56:02 – 00:55:59:03
Seth
And and let’s pause on that. That’s important because.

00:55:59:05 – 00:55:59:19
Keith
So far.

00:55:59:25 – 00:56:13:28
Seth
If you’re listening to this and you know Jason and your team, Jason, what how do you know the ex-wife and the new husband wasn’t, you know, weren’t abusive to the children? Well, if that were the case, why would he have to spoof a name? Why would he why would he just go, hey, I’m a concerned ex-husband and this is real.

00:56:14:01 – 00:56:27:08
Seth
The fact that he’s spoofed, you know, a different person is indicative to me that it wasn’t actual. It was bullshit. He was just trying to fuck with his ex-wife. I feel very strongly about that.

00:56:27:08 – 00:56:47:15
Keith
So he weaponized CPS against his ex-wife. And luckily, luckily, law enforcement, somewhere along the line, it sounds like they caught on because CPS or DSS, depending on what states name them differently. But CPS is the general name most people go by.

00:56:47:18 – 00:56:56:21
Keith
They came back to Jason Leidel and basically said it sounds like bullshit to us, but they said much nicer terms like.

00:56:56:27 – 00:57:11:06
Seth
Well, they looked at it and said it was unsubstantiated. But I think the point is they were suspicious of the actual assertion or allegation. And by the way, I think DSS is Department of Social Services. I think that CPS is a division underneath the DSS.

00:57:11:08 – 00:57:44:00
Keith
Yeah Yeah, you’re right. Okay. And again, you could say, Whoa, that was a hell of an episode. Hold on, hold on. Because Jason is now starting to fake emails from his ex-wife that we need to talk about. So one of the things he faked was an email from his ex-wife to him directly. So imagine he had his e-mail, his he had his AOL account that we talked about.

00:57:44:03 – 00:58:13:09
Keith
He receives this email from his ex-wife’s account. And it goes something along this this is what was said, and I’m going to read it to you. But there’s one point that’s the most important because that drives an event that’s about to happen that changes the ex-wife’s life dramatically. So the email says, Jason, nice try, asshole And then some name and I are going to get married.

00:58:13:13 – 00:58:18:25
Keith
So I imagine that name is her new husband. She goes, I’m just.

00:58:18:26 – 00:58:25:14
Seth
Like you This email that he drafted that he had to think about this and write it is so fucked up.

00:58:25:16 – 00:58:51:17
Keith
Oh, yeah, it’s it’s horrible. It says, You think that I would let my girls get in the way of that. Okay, here we go. He has promised to stop touching the girls. He loves me. Okay? So that key sentence right there that says the new husband is touching the children. And that’s going to drive something to happen soon.

00:58:51:20 – 00:58:54:24
Keith
I’m going to go ahead and finish this email because.

00:58:54:24 – 00:58:57:17
Seth
It’s so funny.

00:58:57:19 – 00:59:10:06
Keith
So he goes on and this is the best part. He is more than just my gravy train, Dick. I can make more children. This is real love. The girls are tough and we’ll fight through this.

00:59:10:08 – 00:59:31:22
Seth
Right? Let me just pause on this. So what he was drafting an email, which ostensibly he was going to submit to CPS or a court was saying that the guy that his ex-wife was marrying, yeah, he may be molesting the kid, but she’s willing to forgive him. And even if not, she can make more kids if those kids end up being fucked up because those girls are tough.

00:59:31:22 – 00:59:38:09
Seth
It’s so fucked up. Yeah. All right. So the rest of it goes on. It goes on in different fonts.

00:59:38:09 – 01:00:04:17
Keith
Yeah. The rest of it goes on. And I’m just going to call this new husband the new ex-wife’s new husband. M That’s his first initial. So M’s chain of command knows about our affair and don’t care. We have been dating since September 2018. M is too valuable to lose again. Sorry. There’s a lot of misspellings here. Even the Corps knows and this highly decorated war hero

01:00:04:20 – 01:00:09:26
Keith
Isn’t going to get in trouble. Everyone is the corps cheats.

01:00:09:28 – 01:00:10:19
Seth
Meaning everyone.

01:00:10:25 – 01:00:15:22
Keith
Isn’t a proper one either, right? Oh, I’m sorry. Everyone is the Corps cheats.

01:00:15:23 – 01:00:19:27
Seth
She’s he. Yeah, that’s. I think he meant everyone in the core.

01:00:20:00 – 01:00:21:16
Keith
Oh. Oh, okay.

01:00:21:17 – 01:00:45:19
Seth
Meaning everyone cheats on their wife. Everyone lies. It’s not a problem. If you want trouble, then If you want trouble, then pursue perjury charges. I’ll just deny writing this email and call FAP some more. I don’t know what that is. M has given me numbers to your chain of command. I have stories to tell.

01:00:45:22 – 01:00:48:04
Keith
Yeah. That’s so messed up.

01:00:48:06 – 01:00:56:09
Seth
Yeah, but what did we learn? The courts figured the authorities figured it out.

01:00:56:11 – 01:01:29:03
Keith
Well, no, no, not initially. So basically, this is so this email, this is the touching, the girl’s email. That’s sort of how we refer to it, that this is then used by Jason Leidel as an excuse to get emergency custody of his two children. Right. In a Virginia Beach court. Now, Virginia Beach, you’re not from my area. It’s a different state.

01:01:29:06 – 01:01:53:20
Keith
So you’re going across state lines. There’s a lot of shenanigans and craziness that you’re going to have to deal with court wise, because Virginia is a different state than Maryland and usually these custody issues get hairy across state lines. Now, of course, law enforcement, they get you know, later on, they get this information and they you know, they go talk to the ex-wife.

01:01:53:21 – 01:02:00:25
Keith
They go, hey, have this suspicious email from Jason says, you wrote it. Did you write this? And the ex-wife said, No.

01:02:00:25 – 01:02:03:10
Seth
They perform some forensics.

01:02:03:12 – 01:02:29:14
Keith
And that forensics makes it look like it could come from the ex-wife. But when they did forensics later on and the iPhone that’s within Jason’s possession or the iPhone that he owns, there’s there’s these compromised email accounts they’re on there. So he can’t deny that he was a part of this.

01:02:29:16 – 01:03:02:23
Seth
Right. And the key piece here is that they found this Apple iPhone six s that these emails resided on. And that was seized from Jason’s home pursuant to a search warrant that happened later on in 2020. But this is where we’re going be entering into the other shitbag here. Jason shared this residence with a lawyer named Sarah Sorg, and they shared a residence and we’ll hear about more about Sarah in part two on this because she’s equally as shitbaggy as Jason.

01:03:02:23 – 01:03:26:08
Keith
Yeah. And so now we’re in August two, now 2019 and Leidel tried to renegotiate his divorce with his ex-wife through this court messaging system that I told you about at the very beginning. If you skipped ahead and you go, What is he talking about? You’re gonna want to reverse. This court messaging system is a system where the court can actually see the conversation between the two parties.

01:03:26:11 – 01:04:00:11
Keith
So he tried to re renegotiate his divorce with his ex wife. His ex-wife probably was more sane than him, I imagine, and said, Hell no. Then later on, remember that email that I told you about earlier that says the touching girl’s email? Well, then later on, on August 15th, 2019, Jason was he was awarded the temporary custody of his two minor children based upon that fake email.

01:04:00:18 – 01:04:01:00
Seth
Court.

01:04:01:00 – 01:04:02:02
Keith
He created.

01:04:02:10 – 01:04:03:27
Seth
The court initially fucked up.

01:04:03:27 – 01:04:29:00
Seth
Jason’s attempt to use the touching the kids email worked before the courts got into the forensic with the authorities on this. They granted temporary emergency custody to his two young girls minor one and minor two based on that email, Which is really kind of scary, right? I mean, I guess if you it’s kind of like calling CPS, you know, it’s it’s it’s swatting.

01:04:29:00 – 01:04:54:13
Seth
It’s really basically, you know, filing an emergency motion that has to be given consideration. They figure they’ll sort it out later. It’s better pull the kids out of any purported immediate danger rather than fight it out in the court to determine the, you know, the authenticity of an email, which is kind of scary, right? I mean, somebody who didn’t even do a sophisticated job here of of, you know, of spoofing somebody kind of got his way until it was corrected.

01:04:54:13 – 01:04:57:20
Seth
It’s actually really, really a scary part of the story.

01:04:57:23 – 01:05:31:16
Keith
Yeah. And sad, too. And we could say a great episode, right. That was some pretty shitty stuff he did. We’re still not even to the worst stuff, trust me. Luckily, on September 13th, 2019, there was a judge that must’ve looked at the evidence and said, Nope, we’re going to give the kids back to the ex-wife because Jason Leidel is in violation of a peace bond, which is a bad thing for Jason.

01:05:31:19 – 01:05:59:15
Seth
Yeah. And then furthermore, Jason messaged his ex-wife via our family wizard. I believe that was probably the court messaging system said that you have never had to answer for all of your emails or your actions or your so-and-so shooting minor to just to see her cry. I’m not sure what that’s referring to. Based on Virginia’s precedent, the burden proof is on you to prove that you didn’t send me all those emails from your password protected account.

01:05:59:15 – 01:06:11:13
Seth
So he’s basically egging her on, saying that it doesn’t matter that he actually is spoofing her. It’s on her to prove or disprove that, which is probably true and frankly, scary.

01:06:11:16 – 01:06:29:19
Keith
Yeah. And that the reason why I put this quote in here the way it is, is he’s fucking with her so hard because he knows that she can’t right? He has her compromised account. So how do you how do you prove that he doesn’t. That’s not him.

01:06:29:21 – 01:06:39:01
Seth
Yeah, I would wonder how we guys wouldn’t her, wouldn’t her immediate next step would be either change your email address or change your credentials.

01:06:39:04 – 01:06:49:04
Keith
But and later on, you can see that law enforcement is able to sift this stuff out when you get records from these service providers, you can see that you know.

01:06:49:04 – 01:06:49:22
Seth
Where she.

01:06:49:22 – 01:06:52:15
Keith
Logged in versus when he logged in.

01:06:52:17 – 01:06:54:01
Seth
Right?

01:06:54:04 – 01:07:40:17
Keith
Oh God. And then this scheme, this scheme, I could I was like, okay, all right. He okay, so remember, I try to tell you things on purpose. I know there’s lot of tangents that we go on, but one of the things I told you about was his dentistry, him being in the medical field that plays in here because he submitted a copy of what was his ex-wife’s military medical record to a court appointed psychologist who was appointed, who was evaluating the parental capacity of the ex-wife in order to have custody of the two kids or not.

01:07:40:20 – 01:08:17:28
Keith
Right. And he sent faked information. He didn’t give he didn’t give the psychologists a true medical report about his ex-wife. It was a medical report that was faked because why would Jason Leidel ever give anybody truth that would go against everything he stood for since the University of Kentucky or prior? So what was interesting about this medical record forgery was I really I wanted to know more about this.

01:08:17:28 – 01:08:45:15
Keith
And there wasn’t a whole lot in the the court paperwork. The way it sounded is there’s these military hospitals and there’s this Armed Forces Radio Biology Research Institute lab in Bethesda, Maryland. And there’s these records in there. And to get the records have to scan them. Okay, So now we’re dealing with computers, right? We’re not just talking about what a doctor would write down.

01:08:45:15 – 01:09:14:25
Keith
We’re talking about a doctor could write something down. But then he gets scanned physically into a digital file for somebody, and that’s going to leave evidence. Okay. The scan of the military record was sent her military the the ex-wife’s military record was sent to Jason Leidel’s personal Leidel AOL dot com account. He didn’t even use his DOD account.

01:09:14:25 – 01:09:18:29
Keith
He uses personal AOL account.

01:09:19:02 – 01:09:40:10
Seth
And keep in mind, this is why in forensics, chain of custody really matters, right? If you’re going to court against somebody, why you be submitting their, you know, personal medical file. Obviously, unless, you know, she was unwilling to or said she didn’t have it. And he’s like using it as evidence. But again, chain of custody matters. Right. It wouldn’t make sense that he would submit it.

01:09:40:10 – 01:09:56:08
Seth
It would make sense that the armed forces would submit it directly to the court. If, you know, that was so pertinent. So the fact that it went to him first, obviously was then altered or forged is a pretty key piece of evidence here. And frankly, illegal.

01:09:56:10 – 01:10:21:22
Keith
And Leidel could obviously make the argument of somebody slipped, fell on the digital scanner and accidentally sent it to his personal email address. He could but investigators went into that lab and said, hey, lab people speaking to the security personnel there, they said, hey, lab people, has this guy, Jason Leidel, been in here and scanned anything. And they said, Yeah, actually he was in here.

01:10:21:22 – 01:10:43:21
Keith
And his CAC card, it’s just CAC, it’s like a as I understand, it’s kind of like a military driver’s license. It’s how you get around the military. It was used and approved for access into this lab to do exactly what he did, which was scan his wife’s medical information and send it to his personal information, his personal account.

01:10:43:23 – 01:10:48:08
Keith
So that way he could alter it and send it to the court appointed psychiatrist.

01:10:48:08 – 01:10:53:15
Seth
So, yeah, we know that it was forged. It was an email and they tried it.

01:10:53:17 – 01:11:09:08
Keith
I was going to say they tracked it down right to the room. They told you it was in room number 3116. So they knew exactly where he made the scan from. Right. Did you have anything to add? That’s all right.

01:11:09:08 – 01:11:11:24
Seth
No, no. Was waiting to get to the actual forged document.

01:11:11:24 – 01:11:35:09
Keith
So the forged document itself, what it did is it took her actual document, her actual medical record, but it added some information down at the bottom that was pertinent for child custody agreements. Like it said that the ex-wife had attempted suicide and was a user of cocaine.

01:11:35:12 – 01:11:42:03
Seth
And generally had a mental health crisis and was submitted to a military treatment facility on that.

01:11:42:03 – 01:12:08:29
Seth
So I mean, from a technology perspective, a forensic review of the Dell desktop that was ultimately seized from Jason Leidel and Sarah Sorg will come to her next time from their residence in 2020 by the police department and located a digital file containing the suspected forged military medical record. He didn’t even delete the file. Because a court appointed psychiatrist sent her report to the court and there were limitations on the disclosure.

01:12:09:02 – 01:12:43:27
Seth
Jason would not have had access to that document unless he submitted that document to the court appointed psychologist, and they knew that it was him. They caught him red handed on this, which is basically fraud on the court, by the way. That’s fraud on the court. Yeah. So, you know, an exhaustive inquiry regarding this document, as well as the ex-wife’s entire military record and the police were unable, including NCIS were unable to locate any record or evidence indicating that the ex-wife was ever admitted to a military treatment facility on that or any other date.

01:12:43:29 – 01:13:02:10
Keith
Oh, Seth, it gets deeper than that. They didn’t just stop there. They went to the physicians that were supposedly on her medical record that, you know, made these notes of her being a cocaine and suicidal. So there’s two physicians. They don’t name them, but

01:13:02:10 – 01:13:03:17
Keith
one physician

01:13:03:17 – 01:13:09:11
Keith
said he did, definitely did not author the notes. So they showed him the notes and they said he said, this is not me.

01:13:09:11 – 01:13:34:22
Keith
I didn’t I didn’t author this. So right there, that shows you that that was false. But the second one was I thought, this is almost humorous, where physician two said, I wasn’t even at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base at the time that this note in this alleged medical military treatment that I gave her, I wasn’t even there, so I couldn’t have done this.

01:13:34:24 – 01:13:44:06
Keith
So in both instances, that shows that someone like Jason Leidel put that information in there.

01:13:44:08 – 01:13:58:25
Seth
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, the court ultimately stated that the forged military record of the ex-wife did not play any significant factor into evaluation because she was unable to verify its authenticity.

01:13:58:28 – 01:14:00:26
Keith
Thank God.

01:14:00:29 – 01:14:16:11
Seth
Yeah, but it, it was noted that if the military medical record were deemed to be authentic, the psychologist for the court advised investigators that they would have resulted in the loss of custody for the two children. So he was on the right track to really screw her over. He just didn’t do it in a way that was effective.

01:14:16:11 – 01:14:25:01
Seth
But it is scary that that’s how much fraud he was willing to commit to, you know, to get his kids back is really, really sketchy.

01:14:25:01 – 01:14:45:02
Keith
And with that, that brings us to the end of part one. And I made this division here because all the crimes up to this point was just Jason Leidel versus his ex-wife. And if you think these are bad, these are probably only 50% bad compared to what’s coming down the road.

01:14:45:02 – 01:15:08:05
Keith
Once he has a new weapon named Sarah Sorg, who is a lawyer, who then starts dealing on the legal front for him. So you can see this. He’s had a lot of weapons so far with forging emails and medical records, but now that he’s got a lawyer to do his business for him, you’re going to see even more craziness come come out in this case.

01:15:08:07 – 01:15:21:26
Keith
So please do stick around for part two. It’s going to be so much more crazy than this. And we’re going to try to go out on a bang for season one. And with that, did you have any parting shots? Seth? Before I did.

01:15:22:00 – 01:15:43:05
Seth
I mean, it was just it’s an interesting escalation of shitbag behavior. And look, it’s you know, part of the reason I work hard on my marriage, I want to have a good relationship. And, you know, but to be that level of vitriol and anger and, you know, to really try to ruin the life of somebody is really a horrible way to live.

01:15:43:05 – 01:16:00:07
Seth
Like what an awful human being. And look, I’m sure there’s another side to the story. Maybe the wife, ex wife did some horrible things to him. We don’t know that, but this is not the way to go about it and just kind of feels like I said, I want to take a shower after this.

01:16:00:09 – 01:16:25:12
Keith
Seth, I don’t have anything to add to this because this case has been so crazy. And I was just saying over and over and over, it’s going to get crazier. But a wise, wise man once told me something that I want to share with you, Seth, that sums up this whole case. And you can think of this in part two when you, you readers or listeners, when you come in part two think of this, what do you think I’m going to I’m going to tell you you Seth?

01:16:25:14 – 01:16:31:21
Seth
I have a pretty good idea. Sorry. I’m I’m sorry. That’s some domestic bullshit right there.

01:16:31:23 – 01:16:36:16
Keith
Yeah, I saved it just for the Jason Leidel case.

01:16:36:22 – 01:16:39:06
Seth
You were waiting the whole episode for that, weren’t you?

01:16:39:08 – 01:16:47:26
Keith
Yep. Yep. So with that, please do come back. We’ll see you on part two, and we promise it’ll be even crazier than this. Thanks for sticking around.

01:16:47:26 – 01:16:50:14
Keith
Thanks. Bye.